tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post1498899984918128516..comments2024-01-09T15:49:37.273-05:00Comments on THE TENTH CRUSADE: Do We Need a Santa Claus Lies Encyclical?TTChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08738875888053745269noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-23147303040374771902011-02-20T23:37:49.688-05:002011-02-20T23:37:49.688-05:00Food for thought Janet!Food for thought Janet!TTChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08738875888053745269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-14874320998785543532011-02-20T21:17:35.782-05:002011-02-20T21:17:35.782-05:00I've asked this question before, mostly on my ...I've asked this question before, mostly on my own blog. The question is, "Why all the kerfuffle now, when pro-life stings have been going on for years?" Am I the only one who finds this to be suspicious? We know Planned Parenthood and George Soros are trying to bring Live Action down; Soros has made no bones about that. Is it ever so possible that some very sly pro-aborts put the tiniest bugs into the thinking of the hyper-scrupulous to start the snow-ball rolling? Maybe it was done with and "ever-so-innocent" comment or question. Of course no one wants to admit that they may be dupes, and perhaps I'm the only one impolite enough to suggest that some have been played for suckers. But isn't this hypothesis worth a thought or two??Restore-DC-Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-1651050540009594222011-02-20T16:03:09.996-05:002011-02-20T16:03:09.996-05:00Again I wrote too quickly. Re keeping my mouth sh...Again I wrote too quickly. Re keeping my mouth shut, I mean on big heated threads where the casualty count keeps rising. The only reason I chimed in over at Zmirak's is because of his being ambiguous about the fate of unbaptized babies. Fortunately, I haven't had to pay ... yet.<br /><br />I don't recall having regrets for posting here. Even so, my peace of mind is usually best served in keeping quiet.Jerrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-73527038879907685292011-02-20T15:14:37.487-05:002011-02-20T15:14:37.487-05:00Jerry,
I don't ever want you to keep your mou...Jerry,<br /><br />I don't ever want you to keep your mouth shut here. I've learned a great deal from your perspective.<br /><br />LOL about your scruples with your wife! Good for you. <br /><br />See you in the handbasket on the ride to hell with all the believers in Santa Claus. <br /><br />Every time I ask if this world can get any crazier, it does. So I shall refrain from saying it!TTChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08738875888053745269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-60801344718737726942011-02-20T14:55:05.401-05:002011-02-20T14:55:05.401-05:00"Here's some free advice: Don't get c..."Here's some free advice: Don't get caught up in their cyclones."<br /><br />I think that's my point, too. I like a good discussion, but on the web, emotions seem to overtake the issue. I actually learned a few things from the discussion, beyond reconfirming that I should just keep my mouth shut.<br /><br />Oh and one more thing. Telling my wife she is beautiful is no lie. I don't have to have scruples about that!Jerrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-44629065141303867042011-02-20T13:28:30.461-05:002011-02-20T13:28:30.461-05:00Jerry,
Give us your talking points. What are you...Jerry,<br /><br />Give us your talking points. What are your thoughts?<br /><br />I wouldn't want my daughter to be doing what Lila is doing either. I don't even like what I'm doing! <br /><br />This is a crazy world and I think many of us are going to be and are called to do things out of our comfort zone.TTChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08738875888053745269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-80016150335708624902011-02-20T13:18:33.952-05:002011-02-20T13:18:33.952-05:00Hold on -- I should have made clear that I'm n...Hold on -- I should have made clear that I'm not an absolutist, i.e., I'm not with Dawn and Mark, except in wanting to have a civil discussion on the issue. You missed my post at John's in this regard: the story of Rahab is abundantly clear. I don't see Lila as acting sinfully. I just think we need to be very cautious.Jerrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-61796194712863966322011-02-20T13:06:12.635-05:002011-02-20T13:06:12.635-05:00Jerry,
If I'm writing and it is feeling li...Jerry, <br /><br />If I'm writing and it is feeling like bashing on the reader's end of it, I would want to know. Sometimes I write in between doing a couple of hundred things and if the final product looks ad hominem, I'd want to change it. There's enough substance to bash about, for sure.<br /><br />I read through the comments on Zmirak's piece and on Mark's site and was disappointed to see Mark getting huffy.<br /><br />Think of things right there with your own cherubs in the home of Jerry. If the world were ever crazy enough again to want to kill Christians under the age of 21 and they came to your door, you would say come right in, they are up in their room?<br /><br />Maybe you and Mark Shea and Dawn Eden would but we are telling you that it is absolutely not transgression the sin of bearing false witness against your neighbor to deceive them and say they are not in the house. <br /><br />Neither is it a sin to tell your wife she looks beautiful after 15 hours of labor. Or to tell somebody who has hurt you that you forgive them when you know you are struggling with it. Or to tell your son you are happy to drive him 5 hours back to school when you are exhausted and are really not up to it. Or to refer to Catholics as smart when you have just read something they've written that is the dumbest thing ever said in the 2000 years of Christendom. Or to tell a male friend you would love to watch football or go see True Grit when you would rather have your fingernails pulled out.<br /><br />:O)<br /><br />The Commandment is being stretched beyond the scope of its intention. People are making stuff up.<br /><br /><br />As if common sense wasn't enough,in that it is permissible to kill a person when your life is threatened but you can't deceive them so that their soul is free of committing this grievous offense and a life is saved, there are scriptural references that confirm that God blessed a few people who saved lives with the use of deceiving killers. That is the end of the matter.<br /><br />Sometimes people over-think things.<br /><br />I recently was engaged in a discussion with a man who habitually tortures doctrine to come up with strange conclusions.<br /><br />I told him that after thinking about one of the most perplexing things in nature, I had recently been enlightened. <br /><br />Why when birds fly in a V formation is one side longer than the other?<br /><br />I told him Al Gore would have all kinds of hypotheses about how using deodorant and hairspray has created an imbalance in the atmosphere. But, I know the real reason: There are more birds on one side.<br /><br /> Here's some free advice: Don't get caught up in their cyclones. Anyone who thinks Christ is going to have this on our list of grievances and offenses against him and will sentences us for it, does not know the Man. <br /><br /> Tell your wife she is beautiful and your friends and family you love them even when they are driving you crazy. Tell your kids about Santa Claus. And, some day, if somebody comes for your children or the Jews or slaves or anyone else who is a fugitive from the tyranny of a madman, deceive them to save their soul and the life of their potential victim.TTChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08738875888053745269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-39642910987031844032011-02-20T13:06:12.386-05:002011-02-20T13:06:12.386-05:00Jerry,
If I'm writing and it is feeling li...Jerry, <br /><br />If I'm writing and it is feeling like bashing on the reader's end of it, I would want to know. Sometimes I write in between doing a couple of hundred things and if the final product looks ad hominem, I'd want to change it. There's enough substance to bash about, for sure.<br /><br />I read through the comments on Zmirak's piece and on Mark's site and was disappointed to see Mark getting huffy.<br /><br />Think of things right there with your own cherubs in the home of Jerry. If the world were ever crazy enough again to want to kill Christians under the age of 21 and they came to your door, you would say come right in, they are up in their room?<br /><br />Maybe you and Mark Shea and Dawn Eden would but we are telling you that it is absolutely not transgression the sin of bearing false witness against your neighbor to deceive them and say they are not in the house. <br /><br />Neither is it a sin to tell your wife she looks beautiful after 15 hours of labor. Or to tell somebody who has hurt you that you forgive them when you know you are struggling with it. Or to tell your son you are happy to drive him 5 hours back to school when you are exhausted and are really not up to it. Or to refer to Catholics as smart when you have just read something they've written that is the dumbest thing ever said in the 2000 years of Christendom. Or to tell a male friend you would love to watch football or go see True Grit when you would rather have your fingernails pulled out.<br /><br />:O)<br /><br />The Commandment is being stretched beyond the scope of its intention. People are making stuff up.<br /><br /><br />As if common sense wasn't enough,in that it is permissible to kill a person when your life is threatened but you can't deceive them so that their soul is free of committing this grievous offense and a life is saved, there are scriptural references that confirm that God blessed a few people who saved lives with the use of deceiving killers. That is the end of the matter.<br /><br />Sometimes people over-think things.<br /><br />I recently was engaged in a discussion with a man who habitually tortures doctrine to come up with strange conclusions.<br /><br />I told him that after thinking about one of the most perplexing things in nature, I had recently been enlightened. <br /><br />Why when birds fly in a V formation is one side longer than the other?<br /><br />I told him Al Gore would have all kinds of hypotheses about how using deodorant and hairspray has created an imbalance in the atmosphere. But, I know the real reason: There are more birds on one side.<br /><br /> Here's some free advice: Don't get caught up in their cyclones. Anyone who thinks Christ is going to have this on our list of grievances and offenses against him and will sentences us for it, does not know the Man. <br /><br /> Tell your wife she is beautiful and your friends and family you love them even when they are driving you crazy. Tell your kids about Santa Claus. And, some day, if somebody comes for your children or the Jews or slaves or anyone else who is a fugitive from the tyranny of a madman, deceive them to save their soul and the life of their potential victim.TTChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08738875888053745269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-14066524606674852182011-02-20T12:12:38.476-05:002011-02-20T12:12:38.476-05:00Hi Carol,
My mistake -- I didn't mean to sing...Hi Carol,<br /><br />My mistake -- I didn't mean to single you out. You're not a name-caller or basher, anyhow. I've been reading several blogs discussing the issue, and it's been getting kinda rough. I hope all that rough talk out there doesn't cause a divide among pro-lifers.<br /><br />I like the Santa Claus example. It's no biggie, but I'm still half expecting some push back -- and maybe it could bring some levity into the over serious discussion of Lila.Jerrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-52644913804016713912011-02-20T08:24:07.053-05:002011-02-20T08:24:07.053-05:00Jerry,
This is an important discussion about the ...Jerry,<br /><br />This is an important discussion about the definition of a sinful lie - not about bashing anyone. I'm sorry if it came off that way.<br /><br />My reference to Santa Claus is a humorous way to demonstrate taking a stand that telling a lie is always wrong and sinful is a theological error.<br /><br />Peace.TTChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08738875888053745269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-1991949837544966672011-02-19T22:54:46.010-05:002011-02-19T22:54:46.010-05:00"I'd rather be wrong with Lila Rose, Pope..."I'd rather be wrong with Lila Rose, Pope Pius XII, Rahab, Esau, Raphael the Archangel, than right with New Theological Movement.blogspot."<br /><br />amen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-87598815587305899552011-02-19T19:38:26.456-05:002011-02-19T19:38:26.456-05:00This is getting good. Some folks question Lila. ...This is getting good. Some folks question Lila. Then those folks get accused of being Pharisaical, twisted, and whatnot. Bam boom!<br /><br />I don't agree with those who would accuse Lila of sin -- and I'm not sure the intent was to accuse Lila as much as to debate the issue. But I disagree more with those who belittle and scorn the ones who raise the question. We're not thugs. And nobody has to agree with Lila's method.<br /><br />Were Lila my daughter, I'd advise her not to do what she did. I think it's pushing the limits, straining our credibility, and risking trouble. In other words, it doesn't seem prudent to me. But should she be a saintly type who has solid spiritual direction, she could know better than I. Should I then be silenced?<br /><br />Santa Claus is an interesting deception. I don't support it at all, but I let my wife and inlaws play the Santa thing. I don't think I'd help my kids by pushing back. My bugaboo about it is, it's a deception that the kids are supposed to overcome, but yet keep believing the stories about invisible folks who lived 2000 years ago.<br /><br />Oops! I've really done it now. Let me have it, but in good Catholic blogging tradition, let's limit the name-calling to two per basher.Jerrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-76280586516892958162011-02-19T17:11:06.548-05:002011-02-19T17:11:06.548-05:00I'm dumbfounded by the Pharisaical attempts by...I'm dumbfounded by the Pharisaical attempts by apparently orthodox Catholics to find fault with Lila Rose. <br /><br />This kind of moral paralysis (sadly) reminds me of the orthodox rabbis, who early in the Holocaust,facilitated the transport of Jews to the death camps; believing that it would save Jewish lives.<br /><br />This sort of strained casuistry was once called jesuitical by opponents of the Church. There is either great naivete among some of these folks or there is a twisted sense of moral and theological superiority at it's root. They need to examine their consciences.breathnachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12308036185276331387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-87106418487498461592011-02-19T11:39:07.179-05:002011-02-19T11:39:07.179-05:00You are so right on lies of love. Prudence too. ...You are so right on lies of love. Prudence too. Like when your three year old asks you where babies come from and you say they come from God and tell them a modified story about the Annunciation. They don't need and are in fact not ready to process the physical participation in the glorious fruit of the gift of human sexuality and love of God.<br /><br />The discussion around this has been reductio ad absurdum!TTChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08738875888053745269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-48310359888044715322011-02-19T10:28:02.127-05:002011-02-19T10:28:02.127-05:00I'd rather be wrong with Lila Rose, Pope Pius ...I'd rather be wrong with Lila Rose, Pope Pius XII, Rahab, Esau, Raphael the Archangel, than right with New Theological Movement.blogspot.<br /><br />There are 'Lies of Love' (not lying to a beloved, but lying to save the life or virtue of the innocent).<br /><br />Snap. I too have just blogged again on this subject.<br /><br />God bless!Left-footerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18154175028539882422noreply@blogger.com