tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post1771751211701762361..comments2024-01-09T15:49:37.273-05:00Comments on THE TENTH CRUSADE: Pope Francis "Opens the Door to Civil Unions"?TTChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08738875888053745269noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-88331650936357893922014-03-10T15:21:38.933-04:002014-03-10T15:21:38.933-04:00A very interesting article at Sandro Magister'...A very interesting article at Sandro Magister's blog. He argues that the Pope believes passivity and talking in vagaries about being "Christ-like" is the sum total of the Pope's strategy vis a vis rampaging secularism. Where is the Cross and the "suffering servant" in this passivity? Does the hierarchy believe (naively) that rabid secularism will destroy itself and the World will then look to (hidden and passive) Christians as the ones who asserted their witness? It looks more like a strategy of cowardice and double dealing and worst of all, overweening pride that you, the passive-hidden Christian are so very "Christ-like"!<br />http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/1350737?eng=y<br />breathnachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12308036185276331387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-43890421073408110312014-03-10T02:53:26.946-04:002014-03-10T02:53:26.946-04:00I'm awake disturbed again. But I recall the H...I'm awake disturbed again. But I recall the Houndurian Cardinal explaining that Pope Francis is indeed one of US (a 10th crusader and not a Gumby type). So I looked at his words not being reported for maybe some hope so I could sleep. What I found was wonderful.<br />Here is one from Fr Z:<br />http://wdtprs.com/blog/2013/04/hey-dissenters-pope-francis-says-negotiating-away-parts-of-the-faith-is-the-path-of-apostasy-of-disloyalty-to-the-lord/<br /><br />The Pope seems to be on a roll with his Masses at a chapel of St Marta. He described the compromising to worldliness etc as worse than outright apostasy because it is subtle (He is obviously describing the state of Margery Egan as worse than outright apostasy because she does not even know she serves Satan in overcoming Gods Church) with what he called popular soap opera worldly values instead of the demands of True faith in God. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-38988256726872026472014-03-10T00:26:09.916-04:002014-03-10T00:26:09.916-04:00Carol, I'm speaking theoretically. I have no i...Carol, I'm speaking theoretically. I have no idea what Francis intends. I don't know if Francis does, either, frankly. I can't remember either John Paul II or Benedict XVI being so uniformly incoherent. Regardless of whether you agreed with either of them, you knew where they stood.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-1243374819565567492014-03-09T23:50:56.275-04:002014-03-09T23:50:56.275-04:00I couldn't agree more.
Though I would say tha...I couldn't agree more.<br /><br />Though I would say that the people receiving Pope Francis' messages at face value are drawing perfectly sound conclusions. <br /><br />There is a way of speaking and teaching that is a combination ambiguity and omissions - the nudge and the wink - to instruct people to dissent.<br /><br />The Holy Father has been using it for over a year, whilst putting energy into insulting and dismantling orthodoxy and TLM. <br /><br />At this point, it's a hard sell - but I sure hope you are right!<br />TTChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08738875888053745269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-22982649825624625832014-03-09T21:04:58.673-04:002014-03-09T21:04:58.673-04:00"The question is not whether to change the do..."The question is not whether to change the doctrine, but to go deeper and make sure that pastoral care takes account of situations and of what each person is able to do." <br /><br />I have no use for Pope Francis. Nevertheless, Carol, perhaps you are overreacting? One can engage in legitimate pastoral care without granting access to the Eucharist. Indeed, good pastoral care would mandate limiting access in some cases. Granted, American Catholics have gone decades without such pastoral care. Perhaps therein lies the rub. <br /><br />Besides, the pope cannot (technically speaking) change doctrine. That's why it wouldn't be a question.<br /><br />Your thoughts?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-9598233304973243542014-03-07T06:39:05.883-05:002014-03-07T06:39:05.883-05:00I'll download "The Jesuits" on the k...I'll download "The Jesuits" on the kindle. I couldn't get through Windswept House. We were living it here in Boston and the story was so similar, each time I picked it up to read and confirmed what we were living, I would get sick to my stomach. I'd put the book down and wouldn't pick it up again until another priest would pull a creepy stunt.<br /><br />We have an apostate priest here who actually threw garbage into the Sanctuary and another time shot off a gun. The things we have put up with here are surreal.<br /><br />I don't know that he is a 'liberal'. He seems to be a faithful man who knows and tries to live the fiat of preserving his soul in a state of sanctifying grace. IMO, he reminds me of the many prelates who are withholding it from the flock as they see the road to redemption is flocking unto them.<br /><br /><br />You can't cure what ails these folks without sanctifying grace. <br /><br /><br />Imagine getting up in the morning knowing you said something yesterday that made people think the Catholic Church is going to accept civil unions. Wouldn't you take immediate steps to correct that misunderstanding?<br /><br />I keep refreshing my browser. The silence is speaking volumes.TTChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08738875888053745269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-7626829999157782952014-03-07T05:23:40.075-05:002014-03-07T05:23:40.075-05:00To quote another blogger:
"Please. It is tim...To quote another blogger:<br /><br />"Please. It is time to come to grips. We have a LIBERAL (!!!) pope now. How long are we going to keep pretending the words spoken by the current pope (each and every day…) aren’t really the words he meant to say? Again and again."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-54874443019920705742014-03-06T22:12:16.859-05:002014-03-06T22:12:16.859-05:00Susan,
Good call on Malachi Martin's "Th...Susan,<br /><br />Good call on Malachi Martin's "The Jesuits". Lost my copy during a house move 5 years ago. I've been meaning to get another from Abebooks.breathnachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12308036185276331387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-24044129990825099612014-03-06T21:59:22.812-05:002014-03-06T21:59:22.812-05:00Read the book "The Jesuits"
Everything ...Read the book "The Jesuits"<br /><br />Everything about this man will fall into crystal-clear focus.susannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-37389214876299007152014-03-06T19:35:29.719-05:002014-03-06T19:35:29.719-05:00Breathnach and Carol, I strongly suspect the same ...Breathnach and Carol, I strongly suspect the same thing. These gaffes are intentional, with the aim of throwing us off balance so we don't readily perceive the undermining of the Magisterium. There are just too many of these so-called "slips of the tongue" to allow me to believe that these are innocent mistakes.Restore-DC-Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478857915379063106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-36346998624489350362014-03-06T18:57:06.494-05:002014-03-06T18:57:06.494-05:00Carol,
I hope I'm dead wrong and Pope Francis...Carol,<br /><br />I hope I'm dead wrong and Pope Francis turns out to be following Matthew 10:16-- "Behold I send you as sheep in the midst of wolves. Be ye therefore wise as serpents and simple as doves."<br /><br />I'll gladly do the penance and wear the sackcloth. <br /><br />However, it's impossible to ignore your eyes and ears. Besides the interviews, the Pope simultaneously praises Cardinal Kaspar's woeful theology and apparently approves Cardinal Mullers restatement of Catholic teaching. Are we being played with "good cop, bad cop"? Is this setting the stage for a "let's have it both ways" synod ."We re-affirm the Magisterium, but it is a "living" Magisterium (hmm...like "living Constitution"?)<br />and it must adapt with the revolutionary changes that have taken place in the structure of the family and sexuality brought on by triumphant secularism. It remains the same Magisterium inspired by Christ and preserved in Tradition". I'm finding it harder and harder to see any other endgame here.breathnachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12308036185276331387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-17913035142767552132014-03-06T17:58:02.394-05:002014-03-06T17:58:02.394-05:00Breathnach, that really hit home for me.
Breathnach, that really hit home for me.<br /><br /><br /><br />TTChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08738875888053745269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-12661826276427605622014-03-06T16:29:34.782-05:002014-03-06T16:29:34.782-05:00breathnach said...
"Authentic Catholics have...breathnach said...<br /><br />"Authentic Catholics haven't done as much parsing and diagramming of sentences since their days in parochial school with the nuns. The exercises with the nuns were valuable. Attempting to parse Pope Francis' interview statements to find perennial teaching is a fool's errand. I've come to the grim conclusion that the Pope is consciously making statements that are of indeterminate meaning and thereby move the Church in a "progressive" and world accommodating direction. He cannot change the Magisterium, but he can move Catholic praxis so that the Magisterium becomes a dead letter."<br /><br />Could not agree more !!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-53339068480382651392014-03-06T14:14:51.963-05:002014-03-06T14:14:51.963-05:00Maggoty Eagan is at it again. Using the Pope's...Maggoty Eagan is at it again. Using the Pope's irresponsible words. The woman is plain evil.<br /><br />http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/columnists/margery_eagan/2014/03/eagan_parade_marching_orders_don_t_come_from_topStevenD-Jasperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07787930119707326050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-52829014520926768612014-03-06T13:36:27.667-05:002014-03-06T13:36:27.667-05:00Authentic Catholics haven't done as much parsi...Authentic Catholics haven't done as much parsing and diagramming of sentences since their days in parochial school with the nuns. The exercises with the nuns were valuable. Attempting to parse Pope Francis' interview statements to find perennial teaching is a fool's errand. I've come to the grim conclusion that the Pope is consciously making statements that are of indeterminate meaning and thereby move the Church in a "progressive" and world accommodating direction. He cannot change the Magisterium, but he can move Catholic praxis so that the Magisterium becomes a dead letter.breathnachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12308036185276331387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-29611511883858228372014-03-06T09:01:34.045-05:002014-03-06T09:01:34.045-05:00Oh, this really helps me and my Religious position...Oh, this really helps me and my Religious position NOT to attend my Godsons marriage by a justice of the peace! I think I'll remain silent until October and PRAY only GOOD comes out of the Synod for The family in October. I fear the Great schism is upon us.Kdnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-63109687161787210652014-03-06T07:30:31.186-05:002014-03-06T07:30:31.186-05:00Anon 11:38
A synod
http://www.news.va/en/news/f...Anon 11:38<br /><br />A synod <br /><br />http://www.news.va/en/news/francis-convenes-extraordinary-synod-on-the-family<br /><br />TTChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08738875888053745269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-33525415040577879952014-03-06T05:28:28.399-05:002014-03-06T05:28:28.399-05:00"Civil unions": an issue whose time has ..."Civil unions": an issue whose time has GONE. "They" want the "real thing"; i.e., marriage. <br /><br />One state (I think Rhode Island) instituted civil unions supposedly to settle the issue, but that action was merely a stepping-stone to legalizing same-sex marriage the next year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-6783440113638040432014-03-05T23:38:31.301-05:002014-03-05T23:38:31.301-05:00"We will just have to wait it out and see whe..."We will just have to wait it out and see where he goes in October."<br /><br />Why? What's happening in October?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com