tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post4215325760351236786..comments2024-01-09T15:49:37.273-05:00Comments on THE TENTH CRUSADE: Shea Just Proved His Theological Problems (One Last Shea post)TTChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08738875888053745269noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-69007081286444113352016-08-28T02:21:41.336-04:002016-08-28T02:21:41.336-04:00I agree with Mark (Docherty, not Shea.) There'...I agree with Mark (Docherty, not Shea.) There's nothing intrinsically sinful about referring to bodily functions in Anglo-Saxon, but courtesy, respect and prudence dictate we not do so publicly, in polite company, or in the presence of children. Cussing is wrong not intrinsically, but because it's an act of discourtesy to those who hear you. Luther deserved no courtesy and had already brought the discourse down to that level, so I don't believe St. Thomas More did wrong in what he wrote about him. Mark Shea, however, acted against courtesy in using foul language publicly against those who were trying to defend Catholic teaching; and against prudence by using it in situations calling for professionalism.Mary MacArthurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03004076786559518260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-17589470392792828352016-08-27T18:44:53.881-04:002016-08-27T18:44:53.881-04:00Eph. 5:4
4 Or obscenity, or foolish talking, or sc...Eph. 5:4<br />4 Or obscenity, or foolish talking, or scurrility, which is to no purpose; but rather giving of thanks.<br /><br />So, not breaking the First Commandment, but still good advice from an apostle.Salhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13201226644704622876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-2838858961585203922016-08-27T12:32:52.281-04:002016-08-27T12:32:52.281-04:00TTC, I can't really lay it out any more clearl...TTC, I can't really lay it out any more clearly than I did on my blog post. The idea is that there are words which offend God and words that do not. Giving the same weight to man-made meaningless words as to words which we know factuly to be offensive to God is a sin against the First Commandment. What I had previously believed to be a pious practice was actually false piety. <br /><br />Worse, polite society elevates the man-made 'naughty' words to be even more naughty than the real curse words. That's why in America you can blaspheme on TV all you want, just don't use the words society has falsely deemed the "real" curse words. <br /><br />I also talk about (really the whole point of the post) that after prayer and deeds, words are the weapons we must use, and we must use them as best we can to win souls for Christ. It's truly all about the souls.<br /><br />I also mention that what is true in English doesn't hold in translation. In French, for example, all the baddest words refer to Christ and His Church. <br /><br />I'm open to correction!Mark Dochertyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15324479233339537303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-50602072355887113612016-08-26T15:16:23.407-04:002016-08-26T15:16:23.407-04:00Mark, I learned from the best of the best so they ...Mark, I learned from the best of the best so they deserve the credit. I am awed by my readers so this is a great place to learn!<br /><br />I will post a little more detail later. Your challenge intrigues me!<br /><br />Let me ask you a question?<br /><br />I want to be sure I hit a bullseye in my response.<br /><br />You mention that you were on a road of piety but others gave witness that this was a bad thing. Is that right?<br /><br />Piety is holiness, so I'm trying to find out why they made you feel like holiness was not your calling?<br /><br />My response is more comprehensive, but would love some feedback on this first.TTChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08738875888053745269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-85476081093355357842016-08-26T14:41:27.607-04:002016-08-26T14:41:27.607-04:00To Mark:
Consider this verse from Ephesians:
4:...To Mark:<br /><br /> Consider this verse from Ephesians:<br /><br />4:29 Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear.<br />There you have it. The standard by which you judge the morality of your words – any words – is whether it edifies. Michael Dowdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16650782589323136700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-58895316446193697332016-08-26T12:26:07.107-04:002016-08-26T12:26:07.107-04:00TTC, mad respect for you. Can you please post your...TTC, mad respect for you. Can you please post your refutation?Mark Dochertyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15324479233339537303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-46856821449532972032016-08-26T10:13:27.930-04:002016-08-26T10:13:27.930-04:00Mark, you have been misled, which is often the cas...Mark, you have been misled, which is often the case when we read clueless theological advisors or are attracted to priests who have spiritual problems themselves. Avoid such people.<br /><br />TTChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08738875888053745269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-27075218965955462122016-08-26T10:04:38.578-04:002016-08-26T10:04:38.578-04:00Here I am agreeing with Shea... I guess there'...Here I am agreeing with Shea... I guess there's a first time for everything.<br /><br />"Early in my conversion, I swore off allthebadwords. I was oh so pious, and this was part of the piety, and this had to be the way. This went on for years, until a good priest explained to me my error. Actually he not so much explained it as he demolished it. He demolished it to the point of me realizing that honoring these non-curse words with the same or more ‘esteem’ as the real offenses was actually a sinful act in itself. Elevating man-made structures to the level of God. A violation of not the Second Commandment but the First." https://nonvenipacem.com/2016/04/01/language-as-a-wmd/Mark Dochertyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15324479233339537303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-33571858124101204302016-08-26T09:00:02.922-04:002016-08-26T09:00:02.922-04:00We can depend on Trump to get the job done. We ne...We can depend on Trump to get the job done. We need him to take down more of the theologically reckless. Maybe he can take a shot at Cupich next. And then---on to Rome. Go Donald go!!Michael Dowdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16650782589323136700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-42885235174758359232016-08-25T21:22:23.289-04:002016-08-25T21:22:23.289-04:00Using vulgarity doesn't show class. It shows a...Using vulgarity doesn't show class. It shows a lack of imagination. It bothers me that intelligent, educated adults will use childish synonyms for urine, excrement and relieving oneself, as if they think it's cool. Well, it's not cool. It's stupid.<br /><br />I really don't care what St. Nicholas or Thomas More did centuries ago. Shea is merely defining deviancy down, as Robert Bennett would say.<br /><br />Is this part of some sort of campaign to get Simcha and him back to the Register? If so, nobody should buy it -- not with sound currency, anyway.<br /><br />I've always thought that when Mark fell, he would fall hard and I wouldn't want to be anywhere near the smoldering ruins. It looks like I'm right. Good grief but this man will do anything to defend a position!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com