tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post9001324175923975657..comments2024-01-09T15:49:37.273-05:00Comments on THE TENTH CRUSADE: Guess Who is Not Invited to Cardinal O'Malley's Pentecost BashTTChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08738875888053745269noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-40087815607847321222012-04-22T08:06:48.928-04:002012-04-22T08:06:48.928-04:00Honey, where did you get this stuff from?
The val...Honey, where did you get this stuff from?<br /><br />The valid and Sacred Liturgy is blasphemous and heretical to you?<br /><br />I go from parish to parish to avoid shenanigans in the Sacred Liturgy. But from It, and through the hands of that priest, I receive the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ, as does everyone else who suffers through the antics of the uncatechized and spiritually abandoned.<br /><br />Blaspheming and caricaturing this Sacred Sacrifice and our Eucharistic Lord is the most urgent substance for confession one could ever be carrying in their soul. <br /><br />I don't know where you are getting this stuff from but if it were me, I would contemplate steering my ship away from those landmines.<br /><br />Love ya.TTChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08738875888053745269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-32102287093008357982012-04-21T21:04:11.535-04:002012-04-21T21:04:11.535-04:00Had I received a personal invitation from Seáno an...Had I received a personal invitation from Seáno and Mary Grassa, she of the fat paycheck, I would not deign to attend. <br /><br />Why would I participate in a ceremony I consider at best heretical and at worst blasphemous? <br /><br />And where are the Santería sisters and their plucked fowls and the Assisi pagans and their idolatrous baals? And where is that Anglican robber of Catholic churches Rowan Williams of the Cranmerian heresy who knelt with Ratzinger at Assisi and feigned prayer to the Founder of the One True Church? <br /><br />Ratzinger has declared that the motu proprio Summorum Pontificum was an act of "toleration" for those who are attached to that so-called by him "extraordinary" form of the Roman rite. I decline to be tolerated. I hope Bishop Fellay declines as well. <br /><br />Let Seán O'Malley sham a pseudo-liturgy with his charismatic hand-waving hand-shaking hand-clapping hand-pawing of the Body and Blood of the Lord in his mockery of the Mass. May the Vengeance of the Almighty be visited upon him and may the Heavenly Hosts confound him.<br /><br /><i> Reficiatur Ecclesia Tua, Domine. </i>Jack O'Malleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-82186960399291379052012-04-21T20:15:29.365-04:002012-04-21T20:15:29.365-04:00Anonymous,
They would attend a Pentecost service ...Anonymous,<br /><br />They would attend a Pentecost service for the same reason they would attend any other major feast day in our Mother Church, where the True Relic of the Holy Cross resides and where we can all come together from our little communities and splinters.<br /><br />I am down here in the burbs where everyone is white and speaks English. I'm fond of the diversity of coming together in my Mother Church, where the see is governed in communion with Rome and we all worship together on a special occasion.TTChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08738875888053745269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-41472858222960334552012-04-21T20:01:10.962-04:002012-04-21T20:01:10.962-04:00Percy,
I appreciate the contribution of your thou...Percy,<br /><br />I appreciate the contribution of your thoughts - most of which I agree with. <br /><br />The TLM, and in fact even the Novus Ordo communities, have more going on than the Sacred Liturgy. <br /><br />But when it comes to the NeoCats and the Latin community, <br /><br />Here's where and why the exclusion is losing me.<br /><br />I don't see the NeoCats as a charism any more than I see the Latin Community as a charism. Each of these communities are built around the unique character and content of their Sacred Liturgy. The prayers they use. The music. How they participate. The things they say and do as lay people in the pews as the priest is performing the Holy Sacrifice. How the Eucharist, vessels are handles. <br /><br />The Liturgy is central to each of our charisms. I can't think of another attribute or activity in any of our communities that define the composition of our animus.<br /><br />Moreover, the Cardinal's invitation, and your explanation, both come across to me as perceiving that The Feast of Pentecost is only for people with 'charisms'. <br /><br />Could be I'm overthinking this. Wouldn't be the first time! But I can't come up with any logic for limiting the celebration of the Feast of Pentecost to people with charisms. I definitely agree that people in love with the Holy Spirit and in whom His gifts manifest themselves love, love, love Pentecost. But the people who are not intimate with the Holy Spirit are people who need Pentecost more.<br /><br />So the whole thing just isn't gelling for me.TTChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08738875888053745269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-18001966996280837912012-04-21T18:49:19.131-04:002012-04-21T18:49:19.131-04:00It's not exactly a "bash" if they ar...It's not exactly a "bash" if they are being invited to an Ordinary Form Vigil Mass for Pentecost. Why would TLMers attend, if invited?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-53480371543600483962012-04-21T14:40:18.937-04:002012-04-21T14:40:18.937-04:00While I realize that Catholic blog discussions of ...While I realize that Catholic blog discussions of the NeoCats, at least in the Anglosphere, may dwell on NeoCat liturgies, I have to say that it's a tail-wagging-the-dog issue; the NeoCats have a lot more going on than that, and any tenderness over their inclusion arises from a lack of sufficient knowledge. <br /><br />In the Boston area, I am aware that the NeoCats pushed out the pastoral leadership of a parish in Peabody a few years ago, and that Cardinal Sean showed a very very wry sense of humor in appointing as a pastor an ex-Jesuit with a traditionalist liturgical bent. I am only aware of this because of a correspondent colleague of mine who used in to be in that parish; it was nothing that was ever covered in media - dead tree or electronic editions (blogs neither).Percynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-56838941774738303982012-04-21T09:56:53.196-04:002012-04-21T09:56:53.196-04:00Thanks. I think you are right about the intention...Thanks. I think you are right about the intentions, Percy. <br /><br />I don't know much about the NeoCats, but from the perspective of liturgical use communities, they are perceived as one.<br /><br />Perhaps that is an urban legend. But, because of the liturgical innovations and abuses, that's the way they are perceived. Because they were listed on the invites, the Latin community here in Boston feel slighted. <br /><br />The Cardinal's historical treatment of the Latin Rite community makes them sensitive and no doubt is at play also -- which is why I pointed out the intentions behind this invite were not liturgical in nature by mentioning the NOs were also not listed.<br /><br />Pentecost is definitely a day for the charisms of the Church and may God bless their initiative with a resounding and enthusiastic response.TTChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08738875888053745269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-86742167537535364532012-04-21T09:30:11.463-04:002012-04-21T09:30:11.463-04:00Well, the TLM community is more akin to a liturgic...Well, the TLM community is more akin to a liturgical use community, like the Anglican Catholics, or a church like the Eastern Churches; it doesn't fall within the standard Roman view of the "new movements" and "new communities", which are apostolates with defined charisms, and it's the focus on those charisms that is likely being linked to Pentecost.Percynoreply@blogger.com