tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post6859112007934200060..comments2024-01-09T15:49:37.273-05:00Comments on THE TENTH CRUSADE: Pope conducts impromptu wedding on plane. I guess the Flying Elvises were busy.TTChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08738875888053745269noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-15617211791135916652018-01-20T21:25:07.034-05:002018-01-20T21:25:07.034-05:00Cogito - you are most welcome. It is sad, not to...Cogito - you are most welcome. It is sad, not to mention maddening. Thank God for faithful priests, bishops, Cardinals, the Deposit of Faith, Saints and the Sacraments. Prayers.TTChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08738875888053745269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-32065150078510442782018-01-20T21:23:21.841-05:002018-01-20T21:23:21.841-05:00TLM - I can't say I'm surprised. With al...TLM - I can't say I'm surprised. With all the planning and follow-through it took, isn't it amazing they couldn't find their way to a parish for ten years?TTChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08738875888053745269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-57853208107273539702018-01-20T13:02:57.715-05:002018-01-20T13:02:57.715-05:00Well, well, well.......so now we are beginning to ...Well, well, well.......so now we are beginning to discover that the 'impromptu' wedding wasn't so very much 'impromptu' after all. According to several sources the couple began 'planning' their 'airplane wedding' over a month prior with Vatican officials. So now, on top of being scandalous, they have also been LYING to us. It appears that this 'impromptu' wedding was nothing more than a publicity stunt probably in an attempt to pump up Francis' falling popularity numbers....and at the expense of the sacred sacrament of marriage. How very 'ingenious'. I believe the Catholic Herald also reported on this, but I'll have to look it up.TLMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16185788425122984772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-15269000123075129932018-01-20T11:23:25.733-05:002018-01-20T11:23:25.733-05:00TTC,
Thank you for your kind and helpful advice. ...TTC,<br />Thank you for your kind and helpful advice. Will follow your suggestion and consult a faithful priest.<br /><br />The confusion that plagues many Catholics ever since the shady synods has undermined our trust in the sacraments. Sad.cogitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01279193827593426632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-67720463233282664072018-01-20T11:07:12.835-05:002018-01-20T11:07:12.835-05:00TTC
Thank you. Your comment is helpful and kind. W...TTC<br />Thank you. Your comment is helpful and kind. Will follow your advice.cogitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01279193827593426632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-50282409785053109072018-01-20T06:11:30.482-05:002018-01-20T06:11:30.482-05:00Cogito,
There's no question that the latest p...Cogito,<br /><br />There's no question that the latest publicity stunt on a plane leaves questions answered about validity. From what I've heard from trustworthy priests, it was likely valid but illicit. The kindly priest was acting in good faith and in his mind he rescuing a couple from living in a habitual state of mortal sin. If it were me, or my child, I would go to a trustworthy faithful priest with a specific list of reasons why you are concerned your convalidation was not valid and ask him to weigh in. If he tells you it was ok, you can trust his judgment and put your concerns behind you. Prayers!<br />TTChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08738875888053745269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-18425946143532691872018-01-20T05:55:03.371-05:002018-01-20T05:55:03.371-05:00Anonymous,
Good grief - NO!!! The "Burke&...Anonymous, <br /><br />Good grief - NO!!! The "Burke" quoted is Greg Burke who used to run The Sunday Visitor, the bastion of milquetoast theology bordering heresy which the Vatican chose to aid in their current mission to lead their people into confusion and error. <br /><br /><br />TTChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08738875888053745269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-23201271346486490932018-01-20T03:13:49.804-05:002018-01-20T03:13:49.804-05:00TTC.
The convalidation was done in the pastor'...TTC.<br />The convalidation was done in the pastor's office, which was in the same building as the Church, but two floors upstairs from the sanctuary and church proper.<br />I was in a foreign nation, far from family and friends. We knew no Catholics. Father brought in the parish secretary and the maintenance man to be our witnesses.<br />He was an experienced and kindly priest, so I feel sad that now I am having doubts about the validity of our convalidation, thanks to the marriage stunt on Air Canacogitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01279193827593426632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-44158942834823191432018-01-19T20:19:18.369-05:002018-01-19T20:19:18.369-05:00I assume that "Burke" is Cardinal Burke,...I assume that "Burke" is Cardinal Burke, the same Cardinal Burke who is trying to depose the Pope with the <i>dubia?</i> The same Cardinal Burke who held a high office specializing in Canon Law in Rome?<br /><br />If that's correct, then Cardinal Burke's comments show the disintegration of Catholic thought far, far more than anything Francis has done.<br /><br />Remember, Francis is not an anomaly.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-51545844278594438892018-01-19T08:45:52.827-05:002018-01-19T08:45:52.827-05:00The marriage in the air confirms the Pope's as...The marriage in the air confirms the Pope's astonishing attitude about marriage ("most marriages are invalid"), his disregard of Church rules, his ever-readiness to score PR points, and his indifference to the souls of the people involved. <br /><br />Every day and in every way Pope Francis lays waste to the Church. The fact that most Catholics are blind to this is evidence of how far the Church has fallen since Vatican II.Michael Dowdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16650782589323136700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-39912347353283886032018-01-19T07:39:33.849-05:002018-01-19T07:39:33.849-05:00Francis is NOT a man of the 'law'. He fli...Francis is NOT a man of the 'law'. He flies by the seat of his pants, willy nilly. The things he's doing are really not even rational let alone licit. Seriously, from the outside looking in, the things he does and says are not a picture of stability.....just the opposite. And they talk about TRUMP having mental problems??TLMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16185788425122984772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-16462656229036150852018-01-19T06:27:25.353-05:002018-01-19T06:27:25.353-05:00TTC, Thanks for the link to canon law. Though very...TTC, Thanks for the link to canon law. Though very thorough, it does not cover the case of a convalidation done in the pastor's office.<br /><br />The pastor's office is in the same building as the Church, but upstairs from the Church and Sanctuary. I was in a foreign country where I knew no Catholics. We had no family or friends to invite. Just us two. For witnesses the priest summoned the parish secretary and a man who helps with church maintenance. <br /><br />I feel bad about my doubts. The priest is a kind and good priest, but a product of Vat. 2 and a solid supporter of Pope Francis. <br /><br />As a result of all the confusion about matrimony since the synods on marriage and family, I am starting to wonder if proper form was followed in our case. cogitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01279193827593426632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-10422693777557387402018-01-18T17:55:27.462-05:002018-01-18T17:55:27.462-05:00Cogito:
Here is some info:
http://canonlawma...Cogito: <br /><br />Here is some info: <br /><br />http://canonlawmadeeasy.com/2010/01/28/does-a-catholic-wedding-have-to-be-held-in-a-catholic-church/<br /><br /><br />I will update the post.TTChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08738875888053745269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-44772696499083021992018-01-18T17:17:58.325-05:002018-01-18T17:17:58.325-05:00Cogito, the convalidation was done outside of the ...Cogito, the convalidation was done outside of the Sanctuary?TTChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08738875888053745269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-92155783854443195142018-01-18T16:43:50.859-05:002018-01-18T16:43:50.859-05:00In addition to all the confusion in the Church the...In addition to all the confusion in the Church these days, now I do not know if I am validly married or not. And, if the convaldation was invalid, this means I am receiving the Sacrament of Eucharist sacrilegiously. <br />Please, anyone who knows canon law, help.cogitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01279193827593426632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-56497740613945428892018-01-18T16:39:41.076-05:002018-01-18T16:39:41.076-05:00AND, what about being in the Sttae of Grace to rec...AND, what about being in the Sttae of Grace to receive a Sacrament? I suppose Francis heard their Confessions first? This is a scandal!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-64055417518872395862018-01-18T15:54:27.141-05:002018-01-18T15:54:27.141-05:00Cogito, that is the six million dollar question. ...Cogito, that is the six million dollar question. I don't feel qualified to answer it, but I have never heard of any Marriage or convalidation outside of the sanctuary and know of tlnotjing in canon law that permits it. I'm looking forward to canonical lawyers weighing in. <br /><br />As a mother, im really concerned about the efficacy of telling our children they can't get married outside of the sanctuary. Like every other foolish thing he does, this gives credence to invalid marriage ceremonies and divides families.<br /><br />I get that he wanted to fix the irregular situation, but he should have done it in private where the uncatechized could not make a scandal out of it.TTChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08738875888053745269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-66319956489770040692018-01-18T15:17:01.006-05:002018-01-18T15:17:01.006-05:00Would a convalidation, not in the Sanctuary, not e...Would a convalidation, not in the Sanctuary, not even in the Church, but done in the pastor's office, be valid as the Sacrament of Matrimony?cogitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01279193827593426632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015949969530867456.post-13932208534188787172018-01-18T14:45:25.797-05:002018-01-18T14:45:25.797-05:00I do not know the marriage requirements in Chile a...I do not know the marriage requirements in Chile and a LOT of details are left out of this story as well as the story posted at the National Catholic Register. No church wedding because of an earthquake eight years ago that left their parish church destroyed? What are they doing for Sunday Masses? Very suspect excuse. <br /><br />While this may be a valid Sacrament, it appears to be highly illicit, extremely unwise, and seriously scandalous. <br /><br />Everything you say is absolutely correct. The Holy Father is teaching, by his actions: “do as you please! Proper Matter and Form are no longer relevant.”<br /><br />This kind of thing makes the clergy cringe with disbelief.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com