First of all, educated and informed Catholics have to stop using the caricatures of the uncatechized and ignorant. There is no such thing as conservative and traditional when we are speaking about a fiat involving Catholic Church teaching.
What Phil and others are really talking about is faithful and unfaithful Catholics.
Faithful Catholics accept Church teaching and when temptation arises, they use the Sacraments to resist it. If they fall to sin, they know their soul has digested a poison that is lethal and will continue to flow through the system of communication between our brain and our soul and erode judgment. The effects weaken and eventually erodes our ability to control impulses, emotions, thoughts, resulting in further sins. The sin, even one of them, is a product of the devil that is a living force which consumes internally. When we receive Communion in this state, there is, literally, a clashing of the living properties in the Body and Blood of Christ and the properties of the devil in the sin.
This battle which rages within, takes place in the intellect and causes great harm. Consuming the Eucharist and then committing sin was the cause and effect which drove Judas to his betrayal. His remorse was not related to his betrayal to Christ, so he did not seek Christ's forgiveness. This predicament further decayed the wiring between his soul and intellect and his thoughts drove him to his own suicide.
Unfaithful Catholics are a product of sin. Their is faulty wiring between the intellect and the brain. They have reached the point where they are giving themselves the license to sleep around, steal, kill, lie, by concluding Church teaching is wrong and they are right. These folks have stopped the process that removes and cures the poison of the devil which they repeatedly ingest into their soul. They are convincing and luring others to live this way.
Being a faithful Catholic is not a tradition.
Pursuing a parish where a priest will not defray Sacramental Grace in the Sacred Liturgy with the human who believe themselves to be the reason people should come to Church and the product they should receive is not conservative.
Phil seems to be taking up the position that the Catholic religion has a number of what he describes as "bents".
Bents?
There is no such thing.
A battle is waging between the forces of angelic and demonic forces and the forces are harvesting like they never have in a 4000 year history.
The idea that faithful Catholics have some kind of a listening problem is, quite frankly, cocammamy.
The Pope is a problem and it is not a little problem.
Prude and rational Cathics were obsessed with listening to Pope Francis every word. When he contradicted 2000 years of Church teaching, we listened to our own children regurgitating his instructions that they no longer have to make judgments that are symbiotic to Church teaching.
We related what we heard to Church Fathers, including the Pope, and we kept our ear low to the ground to listen for the relief we begged for on behalf of our children.
The Pope used that opportunity to tell them their parents were not keeping up with the modern world and Church teaching is obsolete.
We listened to his appointments to relay the theology through the people he hand picked at the synod and we watches his sneaky attempt to obstruct the majority of Bishops from releasing their statements which straightened the crooked paths he is laying before our children and the damage he is doing within our family to ever teach the truth with efficacy.
We listened to his Relatio. The Relatio was his product. He reviewed and approved its contents and in fact gave it out to the press before the Bishops, whose words were twisted and obstructed, had the chance to review it.
If anything, we were obsessed with listening. He has revealed himself to the point where it is undeniable.
11 comments:
well said Carol. the moment I hear someone say "traditional" Catholic I know there's something awry. there are not 2 churches, there are not 2 types of Catholics, there are not 2 Gods. There is 1 Church, you are Catholic or you are not, and there's 1 God. All these people like Lawler say every Sunday that they believe in 1 Church, but in practice they act as if there were 2: that of the "traditional" Catholic, and the new one of the "progressive" Catholic or whatever adjective they're using.
Amen!
"The Pope (and his excuse making lackeys like Voris) is the problem"
"The Pope (and his excuse making lackeys like Voris) is the problem"
Carol,
Thank you, thank you for pointing this out:
"Consuming the Eucharist and then committing sin was the cause and effect which drove Judas to his betrayal. His remorse was not related to his betrayal to Christ, so he did not seek Christ's forgiveness. This predicament further decayed the wiring between his soul and intellect and his thoughts drove him to his own suicide."
God bless you.
The desperation of Voris, Lawler and so many other "head in the sand" Catholics is hitting critical mass. I'm praying that reality sets in and these folks direct their efforts to support those bishops, like Burke, Pell, Napier etc., who refuse to believe that 2+2=5.
I realized several years ago that once the reality of marriage was divided into absurd subsets of "traditional", "same-sex" etc, that the reality of marriage was lost as a matter of public discourse. The same applies to dividing Catholicism into ideological subsets.
It all started with the moezetta, bled into Holy Thursday, hospitalized at who am I to judge? TM and flat lined at the synod...
There's only so much mental gymnastics one can do before one has to start stating the obvious.
When you make your off of the Church you may find that you have to dance for whomever is in power or whomever writes your checks. Poor Mr. Voris and Mr. Lawler are learning how to dance and it's embarrassing to watch.
I dread what we are facing in the new year. Cardinal O'Malley is in complete collusion with the Bishop of Rome and we re all too aware of the pro homo pride parishes that are flourishing under his watch......where will this leave the TLM? Many sad days ahead I'm afraid and much suffering for Priests and parishoners who hold fast to immutable church teaching. Our Lady of Fatima ....Ora Pro Nobis!
does it not seem as if the neo-cons (making common cause with Kasper and Forte and Hernandez) are piling on Burke?-- not by name of course-- but he seems to be the real target--And if they can seduce the faithful Catholics into thinking there is a more irenic and reasonable third way- somehow between Burke and Kasper--between traditionalists and reformers-- cant we all just get along?-- we will have lost.
you are absolutely right-- there is only being Catholic and being not-Catholic-- heretic or faithful-- but the more they use the distinction "traditional" to define catholic the more people will be led to think that the problem lies with the intransigence of the traditional Burke and that he and his minions need to devise a compromise. Compromise the faith: is that what they want?
That is when Micahel Voris really better go to confession.
Well said! Thank you.
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