I wrote a cryptic blog post about Louis Verrechio being a jerk which deserves it's own post-especially in light of the responses in the comments section.
To be clear, lots o' people pick a side because they like this or that person - but I really look at an effect upon the mission of salvation and that is where I'm coming from.
Let's talk about Fr. Gruner who used his vocation to market the farcical conspiracy that Russia has never been consecrated. Everyone was in on the conspiracy, including Sr. Lucia who reportedly betrayed Our Lady and Christ's Church for all the corrupt men who circled her wagons and told her to go along with the lie.
Do you know how ridiculous that is?
A woman whom Our Lady selected to deliver her message to bishops, Fr. Gruner suggests would then turn around and lie about that message for liars?
This is a woman who as a young child was told to retract what she was saying or they would kill her - and she refused.
People can swallow a fable that corrupt men would later approach her and ask her to stand in the public square and lie about what Our Lady said and she went along with the charade?
Please!
And the reason for the charade is because Catholics who know the Mystical Body of Christ follows Christ's three years on earth, who have read the Book of Revelation and know the devil rises out of the abyss, pursues and murders us--these same Catholics are supposed to be too fraidy pants to disclose part of the message.
Are you people serious??!!!
Now - let's get to Our Lady.
If you follow the conspiracy, Our Lady's request was not accomplished because she only wanted the people in Russia consecrated.
More people were consecrated than she requested and so it did not fulfill her request.
What mother would ask her son to clean his room and when he cleaned the whole house claim he had not complied with her request?
That would be the conduct of a woman who needs a shrink, not the Queen of Heaven.
Here is a good chronology of events.
Note the world had been consecrated numerous times and Sr. Lucia did not hesitate to say it did not fulfill the request.
And then..
August 29, 1989 Sr. Lucia affirms in correspondence that the consecration "has been accomplished" and that "God will keep His word."
Fr. Gruner's conspiracies contradict what has been revealed. Take a look at who we are following:
The third part of the secret revealed at the Cova da Iria-Fátima, on 13 July 1917.
I write in obedience to you, my God, who command me to do so through his Excellency the Bishop of Leiria and through your Most Holy Mother and mine.
After the two parts which I have already explained, at the left of Our Lady and a little above, we saw an Angel with a flaming sword in his left hand; flashing, it gave out flames that looked as though they would set the world on fire; but they died out in contact with the splendour that Our Lady radiated towards him from her right hand: pointing to the earth with his right hand, the Angel cried out in a loud voice: 'Penance, Penance, Penance!'. And we saw in an immense light that is God: 'something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it' a Bishop dressed in White 'we had the impression that it was the Holy Father'. Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions. Beneath the two arms of the Cross there were two Angels each with a crystal aspersorium in his hand, in which they gathered up the blood of the Martyrs and with it sprinkled the souls that were making their way to God.
It isn't Fr. Gruner, Lou Verrechio or SSPX. It's the Holy Father.
As you no doubt know, the assassination attempt on St. John Paul II was on the feast day of Our Lady of Fatima. A child was dressed as Our Lady of Fatima and he bent down to affectionately embrace the child. The change in his posture saved his life.
Pope Benedict helped explain some context:
The purpose of the vision is not to show a film of an irrevocably fixed future. Its meaning is exactly the opposite: it is meant to mobilize the forces of change in the right direction. Therefore we must totally discount fatalistic explanations of the “secret”, such as, for example, the claim that the would-be assassin of 13 May 1981 was merely an instrument of the divine plan guided by Providence and could not therefore have acted freely, or other similar ideas in circulation. Rather, the vision speaks of dangers and how we might be saved from them.
That is it.
Lou has a lot of crap here - so I am giving a general link to his blog so you can get a sense of the hysteria. The post that indicated he is a jerk is this one wherein he attempts to mitigate Fr. Gruner's malfeasance and loss of his faculties with a claim he has some goods that prove Fr. Nicholson's disclosures on the schismatics is hypocritical because Fr. N confided in him that he has a strained relationship with his bishop and they were hammering out an AGREEMENT to work his own apostolate so long as it has nothing to do with Voris - and Voris was helping to set Fr. Nicholson up with a laptop and other media resources.
If it is one thing I can't stomach, it's a Catholic who would give ammunition to a bishop who struggles with orthodox priests to defend the performance of schismatic acts. This guy is not interested in the Ark of the Covenant. He would join the enemy and sink Her if his own errors are debunked. He is the poster child for the reason faithful Catholics are kept out of seminaries and the Pope thinks people who have fled Mapplethorpe ride a broom.
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EWTN is hardly a definitive source for anything these days. What Sr Lucia actually told the papal nuncio is the following;
Again, on March 19, 1983, at the request of the Holy Father, Sister Lucy met with the Papal Nuncio, Archbishop Portalupi, Dr. Lacerda, and Father Messias Coelho. During this meeting, Sister Lucy confirmed that Pope John Paul's Consecration of 1982 did not fulfill the requests of Our Lady. Sister Lucy said:
"In the act of offering of May 13, 1982, Russia did not appear as being the object of the consecration. And each bishop did not organize in his own diocese a public and solemn ceremony of reparation and Consecration of Russia. Pope John Paul II simply renewed the consecration of the world executed by Pius XII on October 31, 1942. From this consecration we can expect some benefits, but not the conversion of Russia."
She concluded, "The Consecration of Russia has not been done as Our Lady had demanded it. I was not able to say it because I did not have the permission of the Holy See."13
If the consecration was done, why isn't Russia Catholic? It's my understanding that Russia was to turn Catholic right after the consecration was done. It's been almost 26 years since Sr. Lucia said it was done, so did she really say it, and is someone lying to us about what she actually said?
Good job Carol. I think we can move on. Reconciliation is difficult. Pray for all concerned.
Michael Dowd
Steve, of my memory serves me correctly, Fr Geuner published an embellished version of what Our Lady actually said. I don't recall whether Fr Gruner emblisbmr t said Our Lady promised Russia would become Catholic. That is a new one on me. My recollection is she said if the consecration wasn't done Russia would spead her errors, meaning communism. The Berlin Wall collapsed shortly after and communism was contaoned.
I will put up links. Feel free to link too.
Margaret, that story is from Fr Gruner's sites and is not repeated nor substantiated anywhere else. He had quite a little gig going for himself.
It's certainly a good thing that you've finally put the Fatima Crusader debacle to rest for the Catholic World......How grateful Our Lady must be to you Carol, and as for Fr Gruner well ...we know where he must be...at least you and Fr Nicholson seem to.
Let us not morph into high school immaturity. Fr Gruner spent his life leading people to false assertions about the Blessed Mother's words. Lou is repeating these fables. Any reasonable person would expect the falsehood to be debunked.
I have no idea where he is but I would not want to be in his shoes on my own day of judgement and the role of an evangelist is to steer others from following his path.
Enough already, no one, no one has to believe in Apparitions approved or otherwise. Take Medjugorge for instance, in 1981 Our Lady said, All Religions were the same in The sight of God. Apples and oranges, lets stick to the facts, the Catholic Church is crumbling, the Laws of the Church are no longer followed, the Commandments are no longer followed, Christ's teachings are not being followed. The Bible is a fairy tale? I think NOT.
Our Lady didn't say how long it would take for Russia to convert after consecration. Also, private revelation is only approved regarding not being contrary to the faith, not for its predictive accuracy.
Carol... I think this Fatima thing is first time ever I disagree with you. sorry....
But look at how GOOD God ahs been to us! His original plan to chastise us by the USSR Andropov or Chenenko devils with all those sub missels were destroyed because Pope JPII did the consecration the best he could. IF THAT HAD NOT HAPPENED WE ALL MAY BE DEAD AND SOME OF US WERE NOT READY TO DIE AND WOULD BE IN HELL RIGHT NOW. I think God gave us more time. So more people got a longer chance to get things right before God. i would not be typing this and disagreeign with my good friend Carol if that important 1994 Fatima event was not done by JPII the Great.
I will not argue with you anymore because your insistence on the Fatima thing being done (when it is not yet) let me see how many times God has already helped us such as on Oct 31 1042 when he shortened the war. And again in 1984 as you showed us on the chronology. I would be dead and in hell instead of going home to eat a sandwich and watch Fr Gruner on utube (hehehe...sorry).
THANK GOd and THANK POPE JPII !
I bet many 10th Crusaders would be dead by Soviet bombs and some would be in hell (maybe) if that Consecration was not done and God was not sooo Merciful.
I bet there is more to come but we will only know for sure in time. But the Pope WILL consecrate Russia but it will be late but Russia will turn from wicked to a savior perhaps.... perhaps saving us and Europe from ISIS? But just keep your eye open for how GOD WILL help us even more. It is scarey if more chastisements are to come but I think God may make His Mercy so obvious that all of Russia will get down on their knees and no more communism or other errors and an end to their schism.
So this discussion is good.
I'd like to make a timeline that shows more Fatima events from the past and leave open space for possible future marvels from our "God of Surprises".
Have a great Weekend Carol!
I believe they did the Consecration.
I also believe it didn't work. Maybe they need to review the directions from Our Mother again. Russia is on the rise and I don't think that Our Lady would go back on her word. Something went wrong.
So repeat it. What could it hurt?
Do it exactly as it was stated. Pope Francis is the one to get every Bishop involved because he can influence the more modern Bishops. Do it again in the exact formula.
It would shut the conspiracy theorists up and might work this time.
"His original plan to chastise us by the USSR Andropov or Chenenko devils with all those sub missels were destroyed because Pope JPII did the consecration the best he could."
What evidence do you have that either of those two Soviet leaders planned to obliterate the United States with nuclear missiles from submarines, regardless of the nature of the consecration (or lack thereof, I take no side in this dispute)?
I'm not being accusatory. I'm just curious. How can I find out about this for myself?
I don't recall. I read a ton of books by generals, president s, kissinger types. The opinion of one at a level of a Nixon or Al Hague type, was that Cherneko was more dangetous that Breznif (sorry for spelling russian) and that Andropov was by far the most terrifying russia leader to ever get near the nuclear button. Both died sooo suddenly that we were lucky not to get to know them better. Did they gave a specific plan to launch WWIII? That I have no clue. But an informed expert said we were sooooo lucky such a man had no time to do anything.
I'm glad you asked for clarification cyz here is a super interesting Fatima linked event. The night of the red light in sky in 1930's that Hitler saw and said "Now blood will be shed!".... the red sky predicted at Fatima Mary said would signal the start of W.War 3.. .. during Pontificate of Pius XI.. well that night in Russia a man was to die next morning but he told KGB jailers he had info. He may have been double agent? Anyway Stalin decided he would live cuz his info was so important. He told KGB that Hitler was to make war. Stalin decided , based on this info that night to begin his WW3 by making pact with Hitler not to oppose hitler invasion of poland. Stalin thought Germany fighting with England and France over Polish attack would desimate all those nations AND THEN STALKIN PLANNED TO INVADE ALL IF EUROPE TO CLEAN UP AFTER EUROPE HAD SPENT THEIR BEST TROOPS ETC. Well Hitler later betrayed his ally Stalkin and invaded USSR early... not what Stalkin had hoped for. So Stalin joined the Allies to defend USSR.
Many criticized Lucia and BV Mary for failing to accurately predict the beginning time of WW3 which seemed to occur under Pope Pius 12. But both Hitlet and Stalin made up their minds to shed blood or specifically make a pact that would put USSR onto a planned war stratedgy on that EXACT night of the Fatima predicted red sky. BINGO! Mary knew through God what would happen in the depths of a KGB dungeon that the world would not know about until after the war.
WOW!
Have a great weekend....
opppps...... I ment WW2
typing on a tiny phone late at night .........
I'm sorry but you and most of the commenters on this blog clearly know very little about Fatima.
1. Sr Lucia never spoke in the "public square" and stated the consecration was valid. In 1993 Cardinal Bertone read conducted a two hour interview with Sr Lucia during which she only spoke 40 words. He read a prepared statement stating that this is what she said.
2. In regards to what is suppose to happen to Russia after the Consecration Sr Lucia, prior to her imposed silence, spoke of an wrote in her memoirs that she understood the conversion of Russia wa not just the individual but of the country as a whole and it's return to Rome and it would be immediate.
3. The formula for the consecration of Russia was given to Sr Lucia in 1929 in a vision she received from our Lord and Lady in Tuy Spain in 1929. Our Lady was very specific in stating the Pope had to do it in Union with all the Bishops ans
D she explained that meant they either had to be in Rome doing it with him or in their own Diocese making the same consecration publicly at the same time.
In conclusion I could go on and on, but as Catholics y'all need to do the research for yourselves. Read all three volumes of the whole truth about Fatima by Fere Michele and the Fourth Secret by Antonio Socci.
I find the blindness to truth in this hoohaa diabolical.
I am not getting into silly semantics about the words public square. By them I am referring to her acknowledgement a that the consecration has been fulfilled.
You confirm your awareness to her acknowledgments but seem to be suggesting she was railroaded into the sins of omission and bearing false witness to Our Blessed Mother's words.
It is ludicrous.
It isn't just ludicrous because you are suggesting she would betray Our Lady. It isn't just ludicrous because it suggests she would willingly go along with a lie she knew would put the safety and salvation of the world into peril. It is ludicrous because she spent 40 plus years proving she would not lie. She repeatedly attested to consecrations which done half assed and did not comply. She pleaded with Popes until it was fulfilled.
In the Name of Christ, snap out of it.
Seriously, I just can't get over the stupidity.
Do you think Sr. Lucia would return to Our Lady and say I can't help you out, the popes don't want the world to be saved and so they pressured me into lying and saying the consecration is done. It's a big conspiracy and I give up. Don't come around here and ask me to help you anymore.
Is that what you think?
Further, have you ever had any experiences when Our Lady or Christ asks you to do something? Are you proposing He or she said ok, thanks for trying?
They hound you until it is done. They are relentless even when you are weary and have given up. What the bleep is the matter with you people?
Have you read Jeremiah and Jonah? Do you understand how these stories portend the Incarnation?
Our Lady selects peasants and children to explain things to the bishops because they are pigheaded. She did not select these children because they were walking by her. She knew they would surrender all until the job was done.
The purpose of Fatima was to intervene in the murder of Pope John Paul II so he could leave us the magnificent deposit of faith he did. It is over.
Now the Mystical Body of Christ continues on its path where the uncatechized and deceived, along with those counseled by demons crucify It.
Those of us who remain in the Truth will remain in It.
The Holy Father talks about schismatics as a firm of mental illness but I burbs that to be a cop out. What is needed are the Sacraments and exorcism.
I am serious.
I never said Sr Lucia lied, it was clearly Bertone and the only Hoopla which is Diabolical are your angry rantings and self imposed blindness to the truth.
I never propose nor imply Sr Lucia was railroaded into anything. She never stopped trying they refused to listen. Remember Our lady said the Pope would do it but it would be late is 1984 really late. Also did you pay attention to the fact the Sr Lucia always maintained that Russia's conversion would be quick and immediate and back to Rome. I urge you to read the three volumes of The Whole Truth about Fatima and The Fourth Secret by Antonio Socci.
Suggesting Sister committed the sin of omission and baring false witness is exactly what you did.
This is what is so frustrating about the refusal to comprehend the accusations being made.
Sister wrote a letter which was made public stating the consecration was done as Our Lady asked. She took a pen and wrote that it happened and then confirmed it a second time before her death.
The screwball theories I read claim she suddenly, after 40 years, went along with this grand hoax which the pope concocted. That is the sin of omission and it is a doozy. What motive would a pope have to thwart such an important request is unfathomable. The motive would have to be the sinister obstacle of saving the world from terrible consequences. I am astounded that any sane person could so gullible.
Suggesting she would proffer her own salvation and the salvation of hundreds of thousands of souls with her silence as the pooe, who is a saint and was the most beloved by our lady, pulled off this sinister obstacle, is asinine.
There are many kooks in this world. Fr Gruner was one of them. He did not have the tools to follow the logic of his asinine accusations against Sr Lucia and St. John Paul II. Many of fr Gruner's victims suffer from the same affliction.
I would not want to be in that mans shoes in my day of judgment and I would urge you to make a big fire and burn any materials you have in your home and seek the sacrament of confession--and never distribute or impose his errors and sins upon anyone else as long as you breathe.
I say this in love and charity.
Bury the lies with him and get away from the SSPX crowd.
I'm not with the SSPX crowd and the books I suggested to you are not by Fr Gruner. The Fourth Secret is written by Italian journalist Antonio Socci and the Whole Truth about Fatima is written by Fr Michael of the Blessed Trinity an acknowledge expert on Fatima. I strongly suggest you read those books to see the truth. I say this to you in love and charity.
Yes, I know you write and offer your thoughts in love and charity. I am not sure how else to show you the foolishness of these allegations. I will give it more thought and see if I can say it another way to help you to see.
God bless.
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