Monday, March 7, 2011

Islam is The "Religion" of Murderers of Christianity


Terry Nelson makes some astute observations about the denial of Islam's 'holy' war on Christianity.

Perhaps I come off rather alarmist, but it is very disturbing considering how Christians are inevitably attacked after every Middle Eastern regime falls. It actually began in Iraq after Saddam. This onslaught against Christians reminds me of the Nazi harrassment of Jews before the WWII. Yet so many contemporary religious and political leaders in the West appear to be in some sort of denial, constantly trying to persuade us that Islam is a religion of peace.


Sharai may look peaceful to the kooks in the White House and the media may validate his insincerity, but the MSM got sure a taste of the 'religion' of Obama's rebels when they raped Lara Logan, did they not?

No Christian should go along with the charade that Islam is a religion of peace.

Islam is the Christ killer. They have been since the beginning of time.

25 comments:

Anonymous said...

"Islam is the Christ killer. They have been since the beginning of time."

This claim is hardly plausible, since Islam was founded in the 7th century of the Christian Era, long after the death of Christ.

breathnach said...

Islam has always considered Judaism and Christianity as polluted vessels.

Christians and Jews are considered corrupted "people of the book" according to Islam.

Therefore, they are to be kept in a state of "dhimmitude" or subservience to Islam.

That means that in an Islamic society they will be allowed to live, but must pay a tax to Islamic authorities and are stripped of rights of free exercise of religion and they will not have full civil equality with Muslims.

Hindus and Buddhists, on the other hand, are considered a complete abomination as pagan idolaters, who do not even recognize the one true God. They will be dealt with in an even harsher manner.

The problem for the West is: how to deal with Muslims who confess a religion, that disdains religious tolerance,yet demands that liberal societies recognize their own religious freedom to be intolerant?

Our multicultural, politically correct, post modernist and relativist elites are unable to fathom a religion, Islam, that believes it has the Truth. Furthermore that it is required of the faithful,that it be violently imposed on the entire world.
Our elites can only stand with their mouths open and demand that we close our eyes and ignore the 800 pound gorilla in the room.

Carol McKinley said...

Anon, it was a reference to the story in Genesis.

Breathnach - beautifully said!

Ron Garcia said...

Anon,

Does Islam (which means submission) persecute and kill Christians? Perhaps you may answer no, in an effort to respond to you only once, I would say to answer no is disingenuous and that is me being charitable.

The correct answer is yes. While there are many other efforts to kill Christianity, it is certain that Islam is one of them. When Carol Says "Christ Killer" I assume that she understands Catholic spirituality. In other words, as Christ asked Saul "Saul, Saul why do you persecute ME? (Acts 9: 4). Paul understood this to be a reference to the indwelling of the Holy Trinity in the souls of Christian believers. In Romans Paul suggests the same thing, "For your sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered (Rom 8: 36)." When Islam persecutes and kills Christians, it persecutes and kills Christ.

I will agree with you about the "beginning of time." While it may be hyperbole, the point is that, Islam from it's inception, has been an aggressive oppressor of Christianity and has as one of it's goals it's destruction.

Your suggestion shows your disbelief in Christ as the Son of God. You see my friend, Christ is not dead, he is risen, and he lives. Which means either, you are a protestant, a troll, or a Catholic who could use a remedial Cathechism class.

I'm just sayin...

Carol McKinley said...

Great post Ron!

Christ is dead and alive, a child in His Mother's arms as His Corpus Hangs on the Crucifix - all at the same time.

Joseph D'Hippolito said...

I would suggest everybody do some research. Go find an article by a French Catholic historian, Alain Besancon, published in Commentary Magazine in May 2004. It's entitled, "What Sort Of Religion Is Islam?" Besancon does an excellent job dissecting the differences between Islam, Judaism and Christianity, and explains why Catholics seem so infatuated with Islam.

I would also suggest that Catholics start viewing the part of encyclical, "Nostrum Aetate" concerning Islam as, at best, questionable.

Joseph D'Hippolito said...

That should be "Nostra Aetate," folks.

Joseph D'Hippolito said...

Ron, fyi, Protestants (at least the evangelical ones) also believe that Christ is risen. I think Carol was speaking from anger when she made her statement.

Finally, it's time for Christians of all persuasions -- Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox -- to unite and fight not only the "political correctness" in the public square but the apathy in our own churches concerning Islam. The question is, how? Any suggestions?

Anonymous said...

Carol,
"...it was a reference to the story in Genesis."
Which story in Genesis?

Ron,
The term "Christ killer" has a history, and it has nothing to do with killing Christians. I has more to do with a specific reason for Christians killing Jews, and now, perhaps, Muslims. This is the kind of hate-mongering the Church can do without.
Christ is, however, morally identified with every human person: "Whatever you do to one of these, the least of my brothers, you do to me" (Matthew 25: 40).
But the glorified Jesus is impassible. His identification with the least of his brothers (of whatever religious persuasion or lack of it) is moral, not physical. Christ cannot now be harmed by anyone.

Carol McKinley said...

Joseph - you just go right on ahead and point out my flaws! :)

The story in Genesis I had in mind when I was speaking from the spiritual perspective was the one where the Woman delivers a male child and as she delivers Him, the beast, the liar and murderer from the beginning, is standing by waiting to devour Him.

The beast manifests itself throughout generations in one form or another. It always has and it always will.

To try to twist Catholic theology into the notion that it is moral not to warn Christ's people that evil is coming their way - when it is veiled and they are unable to see it - is the antithesis of the mission of the Church.

Have you read Scripture? Because even Christ pointed out who was the sons of the devil - and whose actions were trying to kill Him.

Snap out of it!

Anonymous said...

The only religion liberals seem to like is Islam (post 9/11/2001).

Jasper

Anonymous said...

"The story in Genesis I had in mind ... was the one where the Woman delivers a male child and as she delivers Him, the beast, the liar and murderer from the beginning, is standing by waiting to devour Him."

Carol,
Please excuse me. I'm afraid I cannot remember such a scene from Genesis. Could you cite chapter and verses? I would love to read it.

Anonymous said...

The only religion liberals seem to like is Islam (post 9/11/2001).
Jasper

The tactical "alliance" between the Left and Islamism is literally "unreal".

The Islamists despise everything the Left stands for, as regards family, and cultural issues. Islamism is especially harsh in it's reaction to the public mainstreaming of homosexuality. But the Left still supports Islamism.

There can be only one explanation. The Left believes it can use Islamism to further marginalize Christianity in the West. The Left believes in using the weapon at hand and Islam is a powerful weapon.

This alliance will prove to be a massive blunder by the Left, on a par with Chamberlain's appeasement of Hitler. The Left cannot contain a resurgent Islam.--Michael

Carol McKinley said...

Anon,

I'd be happy to. I always think I'm talking to a Catholic audience when I make cryptic remarks. So please accept my apology.

The Scriptural references to the Woman in Genesis 3:15 and Book of Revelation 12 is the prophetic reference to Christ and His Church.

The Blessed Mother, who carried Our Lord in her womb is the prophetic symbol of Christ's Mystical Body on earth. Both Mary and Christ's Mystical Body is referred to as an Ark. The Ark holds the price of our soul's salvation.

These theology is mystical in nature, symbolic and prophetic.

God Bless.

Carol McKinley said...

p.s - I am on my lunch and unable to spend a great deal of time pulling theology - but on a quick search, I did find the below.

If you made your way here, I'm sure you can find your way to Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12. Happy reading.


http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=520458



Patrick Coffin's answer on Genesis 3:15

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Quote:
The original OT was in Hebrew, but we do not have those manuscripts. The Masoretic Hebrew text is merely a later, reverse translation of the Septuagint, however scholars such as Chilton have acknowledged that this endeavor can be fruitless. A reverse translation is not the same thing as an original translation.

Good point, though it must be stressed and never forgotten that the original texts of Genesis was written in Hebrew and anything else is an interpretation of the original. The reading "she" in the Vulgate (ipsa ) is neither a corruption of the original texts nor a "copyist's error"; it is an interpretation explicitly identifying the important role of the woman in the victory over the serpent, a role which is implicitly contained in the Hebrew original.

In St. Jerome's translation, the Christian tradition of Mary (the Mother of God) having a direct share in this victory over the serpent is inferred from the use of "she". Scripture is clear that the enmity is between her seed and the serpent's seed. The seed of the serpent denotes the followers of the serpent, the "brood of vipers" whose father is the dragon of Revelation 12, the Devil, the children of evil.

The clause "I will put enmities between thee and the woman" is a literal version of the Hebrew text. The prophecy promises a woman who will be the enemy of the serpent, and this same woman will be victorious over the Devil through her offspring.

Thus the woman of Genesis 3:15 and Revelation 12, which serves as a symbol for both Israel and the Church, also was fulfilled through Mary. The Blessed Virgin is the spiritual mother of the Church, the Body of Christ, whom the dragon will war against until the end of the ages.

Carol McKinley said...

p.p.s.

It is duly noted that there actually is emnity between the children of the devil and the children of Christ. This is the nature designed by Divinity. Therefore, when people tell you that emnity is 'hate mongering' - know that Christ placed that emnity for a reason. His followers trust His judgment and design.

Anonymous said...

So -- the short answer is that the remembered "story" is not in Genesis at all, but in Apocalypse 12, a passage frequently connected in traditional Christian preaching and exegesis with Genesis 3:15. (But the story itself is not there.) It might be good to note that the antagonist in Apoc. 12 is the ten-headed dragon, not "the beast" which is, in the Apocalypse, a distinct and subordinate entity (often read as an allegory of the Roman Empire).

The identification of the imagery of Apoc. 12 with that of Gen. 3, though frequent in the tradition, seems to recent scholars exegetically tenuous. P. Jean-Louis D'Aragon, S.J. of the Biblicum, writing for the original Jerome Biblical Commentary (1968) touches upon it only in a parenthesis: "(dependent on Genesis 3 ?)." [p. 482, c. 1] The question mark says it all. The New Jerome (1990), in which D'Aragon's article has been replaced by a piece from Adela Yarbro Collins of Notre Dame, is rather more generous: "In the final form of Chapter 12, the dragon is identified with the serpent of Genesis 3, who in turn is identified with the devil and Satan." Both commentators, however, elaborate more on the Pagan and Jewish apocalyptic origins of the imagery and narrative line.
Finally, it still seems to me that there is no Biblical basis for identifying Muslims as the spawn (seed) of Satan, and the relevant passages of the Conciliar Declaration (not an encyclical, note, and a document with more magisterial weight than an encyclical) "Nostra Aetate" would seem to preclude such a way of thinking for today's Catholics.

Michael said...

"this sacred synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom."

The above is from "Nostra Aetate".

Islamists have been unable to forget the past. They continuously invoke calls for jihad and that the "one true religion" be imposed on the West.

I, for one, take as inspiration the words of "Nostra Aetate". This means we must continue to inform everyone about the true nature of political Islam. Knowledge is necessary in insuring that political Islam's version of reactionary "social justice" is not imposed on more of the world.

The horrific denial of human rights in Islamic nations must be made know to the world if the vision of "Nostra Aetate" can have any chance to bear fruit.

Carol McKinley said...

Anon,

I have read opinions that claim Revelation describes the fall of the Roman Empire. There's certainly some symbolism, but if you are of the belief that it is nothing but a historical account of the Fall of the R.E. and not a prophecy about the final battle for souls prior to Christ's return to earth, your opinion is inconsistent with Catholic teaching.

Yes Old Testament, New Testament and The Book of Revelation are all weaved together to create a tapestry. The beast, the dragon, lucifer, beezlebul, legion, satan - the devil is a spirit that has taken many forms and names throughout history. It isn't imagery, it is theology.

There's certainly no mandate in Catholic teaching for you to believe the spirit of islam in pursuit of Christ to killing Him is not the spirit of the antichrist or the seed of the devil. (There were many who ignored the same warnings about Hitler.)

It is also perfectly consistent with Catholic teaching for those of us who see it to draw the conclusion and warn those with ears to hear it.

Jerry said...

"the relevant passages of the Conciliar Declaration 'Nostra Aetate' would seem to preclude such a way of thinking for today's Catholics."

Seriously? Yes, we should pray for the conversion of Muslims, but we should use every means to suppress their ungodly cult. They are definitely anti-Christ, as their evil Quran orders them to kill us.

Look back in history to see that the descendants of the child molester Muhammed have always committed horrifying crimes, as they continue to do today in Egypt, Indonesia, and elsewhere. Here is a brief description of what prompted Pope Urban II to preach the Crusade:

"... a race from the kingdom of the Persians, an accursed race, a race utterly alienated from God, a generation forsooth which has not directed its heart and has not entrusted its spirit to God, has invaded the lands of those Christians [Jerusalem] and has depopulated them by the sword, pillage and fire; it has led away a part of the captives into its own country, and a part it has destroyed by cruel tortures; it has either entirely destroyed the churches of God or appropriated them for the rites of its own religion. They destroy the altars, after having defiled them with their uncleanness. They circumcise the Christians, and the blood of the circumcision they either spread upon the altars or pour into the vases of the baptismal font. When they wish to torture people by a base death, they perforate their navels, and dragging forth the extremity of the intestines, bind it to a stake; then with flogging they lead the victim around until the viscera having gushed forth the victim falls prostrate upon the ground. Others they bind to a post and pierce with arrows. Others they compel to extend their necks and then, attacking them with naked swords, attempt to cut through the neck with a single blow. What shall I say of the abominable rape of the women? ..."

Carol McKinley said...

Jerry,

I don't want to give away any secrets, but somebody in this internet cafe has been reading Henry Karlson. It all something Abba Cadabra said.

Of course he's not serious. It was a folksy lead-in to come to the conclusion that it's immoral to call violent antichrists a brood of vipers.

If Hitler ever pretended Nazism was a religion, the National Catholic Reporter crowd would have been on the sidelines cheering for him.

Carol McKinley said...

Jasper - you're right. What I don't get is why. Have they seen the things islam will do to them?

Jerry said...

Hi Carol,

I guess that you can see my comment, but it hasn't posted yet, probably because of its length.

Well, abba-babbla or whoever isn't the only newChurcher trying to appease Mohamed. See this article on a deluded Cardinal Tauran's efforts.

Jerry said...

"If Hitler ever pretended Nazism was a religion..."

Actually, it was (is). It's a sect of the Nordic gnosticism, I believe. The Aryan master-race dogma is from that cult.

Jerry said...

P.S. Now I got two comments stuck in the spam buffer. I suspect it holds comments with a link in them.