Kathy - you guessed it!
Two effeminate-looking drunk and drug-fueled criminals with the tired story that Pell touched them at the swimming pool 40 years ago!
Both have previously accused former teachers of sexual abuse.
- The alleged "abuse" so far does not maintain any explicit sexual acts. After an investigation that went on for nearly two years, two men so far accuse Cardinal Pell of touching them "inappropriately" while splashing and playing games in a swimming pool 40 years ago.
- One of the accusers, Lyndon Monument, is an admitted drug addict and has served almost a year in prison for violently assaulting a man and a woman over a drug debt. Monument has also accused a boyhood teacher of forcing him to perform sex acts. What an unlucky guy.
- The other accuser, Damian Dignan, also has a criminal history for assault and drunk driving. He has also accused a female teacher of beating him during class when he was a youth. He says he lives alone, suffers from leukemia, and has "lost everything" due to alcohol abuse. In other words, this dude has nothing to lose at all.
- Back in 2002, Cardinal Pell faced an abuse accusation dating back to 1962. The accuser was "a career criminal. He had been convicted of drug dealing and involved in illegal gambling, tax evasion and organized crime in a labor union." He also had an impressive 39 court convictions under his belt at the time. A real winner, indeed. A judge cleared Pell after an inquiry.
False accusers fall back on a 'swimming pool' story because it is non-specific. They likely never had ties to any parish or place Cardinal Pell was assigned. They don't have any insight into where Pell was at any given time, so the story they were there when an accused was splashing around in a pool at some point in his life is an easy one to make up. They go back 40 years because it's very difficult to piece together your itinerary to prove you were nowhere near a pool at the time in question.
Many an innocent priest has lost their vocation, had their civil, constitutional and canonical rights trampled upon by craven luminaries in a chancery with similar far-fetched allegations.
In this case, its well know that Cardinal Pell spent time at a camp and pools.
I am suspicious that these ridiculous and false accusations are related to getting to the bottom of the source of money Cardinal Pell found at the Vatican.
More information from the Catholic League.
O God, our protector, look after us and shield us from the danger of our enemies, so that we may serve you in freedom, untroubled by any disturbance. Through our Lord Jesus Christ, your Son, who lives and rules with You in the unity of the Holy Spirit, One God forever and ever.
30 comments:
Enough said here, Thank you for your link. I wonder how much they have been offered to drum up these accusations,and how much money it would take for them to spill the beans on who made them do this.. I doubt whether we would fall of our chair with surprise upon learning who *they* are!
Don't judge the message by the messenger. Stands to reason that someone molested as a kid might end up effeminate and addicted. It doesn't prove or disprove anything.
Absolutely dead on the money God's will be Done! The Church is FAMOUS for paying people off to ruin their 'enemies within'. I can't believe, however, they were paid overly 'handsomely' as the Church is broke. I think that's at least part of the reason to side line Pell and put Marx and company in charge of Pell's financial 'reform'. Maybe a BIG PART of the reason. Plus, he leans traditional. Two birds with one stone. BOOM, he's gone at least for a good while.
Mary, I think my post makes clear that my judgements are made by the content of the accusation. The fact that there is no substance or credibility to their accusation is then judged as another abusive and destructive behavior.
Honestly, I find it laughable to suggest bumping into them at a pool 40 could cause this kind of conduct.
This can't be right. Potty mouth rad trad Ann Barnhardt has proclaimed Cardinal Pell to be a psychopath (resulting no doubt from her extensive mental heath education) and she is never, ever wrong. Never.
J, I must be tired because I can't if you are being sarcastic!
Ann and I have come out on different sides of the coin many times. I think she is wrong on this one!
I read the beginning of her post and her language and hostility turned my stomach and Checked out.
Sorry, TTC. Yes that was tongue in cheek.
I actually agree with you on this one and I'm very glad you do not agree with Barnhardt here. There is sanity in blogosphere! Kidding.
In my job in HR, I've investigated many accusations of sexual harassment, discrimination, and assault. If, after two years, I had no better witness statement than "inappropriate touching," I wouldn't move forward. Vague euphemisms have no place in a thorough investigation. This, more than their backgrounds (I know a victim of one of the most prolific molesters in the Archdiocese of L.A., and the boy turned to drugs for years but is now sober), tells me that these investigations are a lot of hot air.
You guys really have your head in the sand concerning Pell and people like him. I don't know if he's a pervert or not, but I do know that to make it in the Vatican, you have to compromise. And Pell sure made quite a career out of being a churchman, which smells very fishy to me. So be it Pell, Muller, or even Burke, I'll never be surprised whatever turns out to be the truth.
I am with Barnhardt on this....granted the media's hostility to Catholicism is a given, Pell still comes off as an enabler trying to buy the silence of victims:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajWT4BERoHc
The comments against Pell is Pathetic.. You do not know G Pell personally, you probably don't live in Melbourne Australia and yet you pass judgment on him..I can only hope that you are not Catholic because if you then you have just committed a sin against the 8th commandment.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.253
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a8.htm
It was said to the men of old, "You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn."254
2464 The eighth commandment forbids misrepresenting the truth in our relations with others. This moral prescription flows from the vocation of the holy people to bear witness to their God who is the truth and wills the truth. Offenses against the truth express by word or deed a refusal to commit oneself to moral uprightness: they are fundamental infidelities to God and, in this sense, they undermine the foundations of the covenant.
The problem with Pell and Burke and Muller and Kasper and Marx and Bergolio is not that they are left or right, its that they are all modersnists. They have all bought into the heresy of modernism as authoritatively taught by Pope St Pius X in Pascendi. Read his encyclical and then try to tell yourself the entire Church after V2 isnt heretical.
Hi Tom,
I've read it. It certainly makes one weep over the damage done to Church teaching. But I don't see heresy. I see watering down. I see pablum. I see milque toast. With these changes the 30 years of ordaining unfaithful priests did tremendous damage to the temporal goods of Christ's Church and Sanctifying Grace. They inflicted diabolical disorientation on our people with their own heresies but there is no heresy in Church teaching.
Modernism is heresy. If you don't see Modernism as defined by Pope Pius X then you are in denial at this point. Ann B. Uses her language for accuracy and to wake people up.
Edison, I watched the video you posted and found it unpersuasive. From the sound of it, the alleged victim called Pell when the accused was already in jail for similar offenses. His actions imply he wanted money from Pell.
I'm not a fan of blaming a bishop for a pedophile. Victims of crimes need to call the police and let the criminal court prove guilt and take him out of commission or let the accused prove his innocence. If someone at work beat you up and stole your diamond, you'd call the police. You would call your employer to inform him of the predator, expecting them to suspend pending investigation but you would simultaneously call the police. People who just call an employer and to try to make them pay for the ring while leaving the predator free to victimize others are just as responsible for the next crime as 'a bishop' who doesn't take him out of commission. If they are minors, parents have this responsibility.
I was equallyl not persuaded by the archdiocescan letter offering the alleged victim a settlement. By calling the diocese instead of the police, after the accused was already in jail, it is assumed that was what he was looking for from the diocese. And every settlement requires the payee to keep the matter and settlement confidential. Never heard of a settlement agreement that wouldn't have this language.
I am also suspicious of these people calling Cardinal Pell "George", and telling his sob story at the pool which had NOTHING to do with what he said happened to him. Something fishy about that story.
But even if you take the position that the video convicts Cardinal Pell of offering the victim money--to suggest Barnhart's post convicting him of pedophilia is credible doesn't gel with me.
S,
If I teach my children about something by reducing it to pablum, as Christ did with the uncatechized, while the language I use doesn't rise to the level of beauty in the Catechism of Trent, it isn't heresy. Any way you slice it. Ordaining heretics who then let laity trample the vineyard complicates what happened but the fact is, there is no heresy in the pablum.
With respect to Ann B, the language she uses is nothing more than vicious and does irreparable harm to Catholics who struggle with SSA. It's malicious tenor, name-calling is shockingly hateful and in no way articulated to invite SSA people to purity and sanctifying grace. It's purpose is to alienate, harm, injure and it is very effective.
Terry,
It's a scandal that Ann B has any traction at all with orthodox Catholics.
Watering down is heresy. It is diluting the faith. To pass along something else than what was passed to us is heretical. The faith must be preserved 100%. A 99.99% solution is therefore heretical for it has changed.
I would say the purpose of her language is to shame them out of their sinful behavior. You may find it harsh and offensive but coddling them affirmation simply keeps them in their sin. If I were walking on a path that led to destruction I would hope someone would do whatever it took to wake me up from my stupor. Ann B is trying to wake folks up. We are in a battle for souls, not a popularity contest.
Tom,
"Watering down is heresy."
How so?
Not according to Christ. If our explanation of sexually-active ssa leads the listener or reader to understand how its adultery and a mortal sin against the Sixth Commandment and invites them to embrace celibacy and the Sacraments to resist temptation, no way is it heresy.
I think you are confusing reducing Church teaching to pablum with lying to them or the practice of saying things in such a way that they receive the message that the Church approves of contraception, etc., which is sadly the situation we've had on the parish level for decades and is now seated in the Chair of Peter.
RE: Ann B
You are making it sound like she's addressing ssa Catholics as sodomites to grab their attention so they will open their hearts to hear what she's saying and they'll end up in the confessional. That's absurd! I am repulsed by her vicious tenor and I don't even have a horse in the race.
You are trying to convince me she's acting in good faith to draw ssa Catholics to the tools of salvation by fatally stabbing their soul to "get their attention". Knowing human nature, I'm not buying what you're selling!
ps - shame is a light that goes on internally when we realize what we've done to hurt the people around us and God. That light goes on in our thick skulls when we are able to intellectually process what is being said. Scarring a person with viciousness doesn't get the person to shame, it elicits anger and pain. The pain she is inflicting is making it impossible.
"I was equallyl not persuaded by the archdiocescan letter offering the alleged victim a settlement. By calling the diocese instead of the police, after the accused was already in jail, it is assumed that was what he was looking for from the diocese."
-Assumed by who? The victim in the video stated Pell essentially offered him money - "I want to know what it would take to keep you quiet?" If he just wanted money, it sounds like he could have had it. I find it perfectly understandable the he would call Pell first if he trusted him and was looking for guidance...he called the police the next day when Pell failed to support him. Other victims were also then identified as part of the charges.
"And every settlement requires the payee to keep the matter and settlement confidential. Never heard of a settlement agreement that wouldn't have this language."
- So now the Catholic Church is like any other business, protecting its bottom-line....so much for the victims. You might find this an acceptable practice, I don't.
Edison,
The alleged victim in the video made it appear like the priest was assigned to a parish and an unknown pedophile and Pell offered him money to keep him quiet, he was the first victim to call the police and then there was a pile on.
That's not how I understood the facts. The alleged victim didn't call Cardinal Pell until the accused was already in prison. The accused had already been convicted, was out of commission and in prison.
In terms of legal settlements, absolutely. It's lawyered and the language is in every settlement.
The Ellis Defense
http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/getattachment/a0204352-4103-452c-b2cb-7cc69476d122/Report-of-Case-Study-no-8
What Is SSA?
'Concupiscence light'?
SSA is a made-up modernist word.
It elevates the lie that sodomy is
something other than a dirty habit.
What Is SSA?
'Concupiscence light'?
SSA is a made-up modernist word.
It elevates the lie that sodomy is
something other than a dirty habit.
SSA is short for same sex attraction.
How is this controversial?
Do you mean to suggest that if I don't refer to SSA people as sodomites then 20 years of teaching and defending moral theology doesn't exist?
SSA is a made up syndrome for a pretty simple sin, used to make women feel comfortable with their hair dressers. "Cocaine helps me cope with my SSA" Give the real world a break. 20 years of what? Pandering? I do mean to suggest that calling it SSA is a big laugh in the gay community and those who use the term are tools of their political agenda. People who engage in sodomy are sodomites. Only Satan would put a lovely ribbon on it with the term SSA. Join the faithful and call it what it is, and yes frighten the poor souls into arms of a forgiving God.
I somehow knew you had an attachment disorder to the word 'sodomite' when you made your comment! I'll bet you have a problem with calling homosexuals 'gays' or anything other than "sodomites".
You're not calling them 'sodomites' to inspire them to seek forgiveness in God. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It's as dumb as saying you call your wife fatso so she'll go to weightwatchers and she calls you a sociopath to inspire you to get help for your uncontrolled rage.
You're just being mean and your intention is to hurt them. You're not doing the Church a bit of good. You and people like you are the reason the pope thinks all Catholics who use the Sacraments to resist sinning are sourpussed nasty people. We've got an uphill battle with our own pope because of folks like you!
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