Monday, November 17, 2014

Cardinal O'Malley suggests Jesus just didn't understand the priesthood like he does

Judging from the emails, phone calls, texts, readers here have watched Or read about Cardinal O'Malley's 20/20 interview in which he suggests he would have ordained women if he founded a Church but he's stuck with Jesus' exclusion and unwelcome of women.

While I have held the conviction for a long time that they think they are superior to Christ, hearing him imply it on television hit me like a ton of bricks.

It must be thrilling to believe yourself to have a better understanding of the priesthood than Jesus.

28 comments:

Michael said...

O'Malley is the lukewarm that God spits out....

Revelation 3:16 (Douay-Rheims)

16 But because thou art lukewarm and neither cold nor hot, I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth.

Restore-DC-Catholicism said...

Apparently His Eminence didn't read Ordinatio Sacerdotis in which Pope John Paul II spoke ex cathedra about the matter. Or maybe he did and doesn't give a rip.

Michael Smith said...

Step back. I don't think he feels like he is superior to Christ. I think he was carefully pointing out that Christ is in charge, not him. (BTW, I'm usually the first one to get bent out of shape with Cardinals and Bishops being all progressive and stuff. Take a look at it again and see if perhaps you were too harsh.

Anonymous said...

I think the main point is that either Card. O´Malley thinks he is God so that he could "found a Church" or he believes that Jesus wasn´t God and has just "found a Church" with male priests only.

Judging from the Cardinal´s former actions I guess he believes that Jesus was just a guy like him who "founded a Church" that he now tries to remodel.

StevenD-Jasper said...

He's finally taking his mask off.

Anthony Brankin said...

there seems to be a disturbing pattern here among certain cardinals. They profess to believe that Jesus is Divine but they teach and act and govern as if He is not Divine.
Is this a sort of practical Arianism we see developing here?--

Anonymous said...

Michael Smith is correct. Many of you are so quick to judge & frankly only seem happy if . You have something to complain about.

Cadinal O'Malley made a statement that was supportive of the Church's poaition regarding the ordination of women. He was basicly saying, "Yes, if it were up to me I would ordain women. Like you, I have no personal problem with that. BUT....it's not *my* church or *my* decision - it's what Jesus gave us and is up to Jesus, not me & not you."

It's a clever way of shutting down the conversation. It's immaterial what the cardinalthinks or even what the pope thinks. ...we care about the Church left to us by Jesus Christ.

Open your minds & don't be so eager to be critical.

Anonymous said...

Took his mask off and changed his voice, anyone notice?

TTC said...

Michael Smith, I don't see any other inference but that the Cardinal agrees with the bitter women who want to be ordained, which puts them at odds with Jesus.

Dymphna said...

Cardinal O'Malley just jumped the shark. I don't know if he realizes it but he has stated who he really is.

Anonymous said...

Yes, if he is a good Catholic son of the church, shouldn't he agree that Jesus knows best who should be priests?

-Chris

Anonymous said...

Cardinal Sean talks about women's ordination on 60 Minutes.

A priest-consultant to the Pontifical Council on Culture says that he "absolutely" favors ordaining women and hopes for an “opening” in the direction of women priests at an upcoming meeting of the Pontifical Council in the Vatican focussed on the role of women in the Church(www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/vatican-consultant-absolutely-favours-opening-priesthood-to-women-1.1989855).

The highest ranking male religious in Austrian (abbot-president of the Austrian Benedictines and president of the Austrian Conference of superiors of Male Religious says that women's ordination is "not only possible but urgently desirable" to end discrimination against women by the Church (eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2014/11/highest-religious-of-austria-demands.html).

In view of such comments, will that topic become an item on the agenda for next year's synod?

Michael said...

Contra Mssrs. Smith and Anon @8:34AM, implicit in the cunning cardinal's response is support for the ideology that the secular will triumph over the spiritual. He deftly signals, through Norah, the progressives at the Crux, Natl Catholic Reporter, America, the Kasperites, the Bergolian fetishists etc. that with their continued pressure and activism the barriers of Tradition, the Magisterium, the Kingship of Christ can all be pushed aside in due course.

Anonymous said...

The comment about his having no problem with women priests was a sad statement , regardless of whether or not he added that this is the church Our Lord has given us. He has just shown his complete lack of understanding where the priesthood is concerned and please don't tell me he does get it because if he did he lost a golden opportunity to clarify it as well as to edify the public as to how important humility is for both men and women in the church and that the church shows us clearly the natural order of things in this life without ego and pride......which is what is behind all this women priest nonsence.

TTC said...

Whenever anyone ask me my thoughts as a woman on an all male priesthood, I describe the precious gifts of being a woman and clearly and zealously articulate how right God has vocations. I also describe the powerful gift of celibacy, the blessings an all-male priesthood is to God's Church, to the family and the culture.

After all these years,he had absolutely nothing to say about it's beauty. What he conveyed in fact says he doesn't see it and if he were running the zoo, there would be women priests.

Women who are simulating Sacraments and have a chip on ther shoulder about being robbed of being a priest by Christ - how were further alienated from Christ' Church.

Anonymous said...

This subject is not open to debate and Cardinal Sean should know better! He's supposed to lead, humph.

In 1994, Pope John Paul II declared in his letter Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, stating: "Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance…I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church's faithful".

Anonymous said...

Pope Benedict restated the Roman Catholic Church’s ban on women priests and warned that he would not tolerate disobedience by clerics on fundamental teachings. Benedict, who for decades before his 2005 election was the Vatican’s chief doctrinal enforcer, delivered an unusually direct denunciation of disobedient priests in a sermon at a morning Mass on Holy Thursday, when the Church commemorates the day Christ instituted the priesthood.

The pope responded specifically to a call to disobedience by a group of Austrian priests and laity, who last year boldly and openly challenged Church teaching on taboo topics such as priestly celibacy and women’s ordination. “Is disobedience a path of renewal for the Church?,” he asked rhetorically in the sermon of a solemn Mass in St. Peter’s Basilica on the day Catholic priests around the world renew their vows. I guess it is with Cardinal Sean !

Michael Smith said...

Stop with the harsh commentary! Save your criticism for something that is actually heretical. O'Malley said nothing inappropriate. His statement about women priests was a way of saying that Christ is in charge and it's His Church and it's His ways, not his own. Get it? If you attack someone for speaking heretically, make sure they actually did!

Restore-DC-Catholicism said...

What O'Malley said, Michael, was highly inappropriate, especially coming from a Prince of the Church. He voiced his opinion that was contrary to the mind of the Church and of Jesus Christ. He did subordinate his opinion, true, but as a Prince of the Church he has no business harboring a dissenting opinion, let alone giving voice to it. Ordinatio Sacerdotis states at the end "this judgment is to be held by all the faithful". That means embraced whole-heartedly, no dissent voiced whatsoever.

Anonymous said...

Tantumblogo's take:

http://veneremurcernui.wordpress.com/2014/11/19/cardinal-omalleys-troublesome-60-minutes-interview/#comment-25620

TTC said...

Janet, beautifully said!

Tantumblogo mentions Cardinal O'Malleys shameless statements about Bishop Finn and the apostate nuns who have led so many into hell. I couldn't agree more with his statement that the interview was stomach turning.

As is today's news that the Pope is running a raffle from the Chair of Peter. I have more to say about this and the Pope's profane concert.

Anonymous said...

And this is defending Church teaching? What's the Cardinal doing on 60 minutes anyway if not to spread the Faith?

Cardinal Sean O’Malley of Boston has said that were he to start a church he would “love to have women priests”.

The outspoken remarks came during an interview with 60 Minutes on American television network CBS.

Asked by reporter Norah O’Donnell whether excluding women from the Church hierarchy was immoral, Cardinal O’Malley said, “Christ would never ask us to do something immoral. It’s a matter of vocation and what God has given to us.”

He said: “Not everyone needs to be ordained to have an important role in the life of the Church. Women run Catholic charities, Catholic schools … They have other very important roles. A priest can’t be a mother. The tradition in the Church is that we ordain men.”

He then added: “If I were founding a church, I’d love to have women priests,” O’Malley said. “But Christ founded it, and what he has given us is something different.”

Michael said...

This man does not "defend Church teaching", nor is he an exemplar of a "New Evangelization". He is a latter day, wannabe Cardinal Richelieu, who trims and maneuvers to please the World, and it's principalities and powers.

JB said...


Appalling. Granted I see the point he was trying to make, but his articulation of it was shocking, i.e., if I were starting a Church, I would have done it differently than God did. Who says that who is a believer?

They need to stop bowing at the altar of political correctness. This is what you say to diehard semi-Catholics like Norah:

"Norah, you're conflict is with Jesus Christ , not with me. Take it up with Him. When you die and stand before Him, tell Him how wrong He was, how sexist, how disgusted you are with Him."

Just say that to Norah and let her mull it over.

JB said...

The implication, unspoken of course, is that a Cardinal of Jesus's Church thinks he was just a child of his age, a sexist, perhaps a misogynist.

The evidence in the gospels is replete, however, with examples of Jesus defying the conventions of his day. Over and over. He healed on the Sabbath. He denounced the legalism of the Pharisees. He picked common fishermen to be his apostles, not scholars. And, most importantly, he forgave sin in his own name. In other words, he was either God, or a madman, as C.S. Lewis said.

The evidence is overwhelming that he was not mad. So what are with left with?

Anonymous said...

Looks like Cardinal OMalley has taken the time to make some clarifications on his statement about women priests. Too bad he lost the national coverage on 60 minutes to say what he should have said in the first place.

Allen said...

The Cardinal's dismissal of the visitation of the LCWR (in his Pilot
commentary on the 60s Minutes interview)is disingenous and cowardly. This man stands for nothing.

Seppe said...

By stating “If I were founding a church, I’d love to have women priests,” Cardinal O’Malley signals to the dissident women religious that he is on their side. He won't take any action against them... He was *visibly giddy* at the prospect of having women in the Curia (no doubt some of the "nuns on the bus"...). As a Cardinal, O'Malley is bound to defend the teaching of the Church and enforce Canon Law, yet in his many photos with the women religious of the Archdiocese they are rarely seen wearing the religious habit as required by Canon 669, yet he does nothing about it. Cardinal O'Malley stated that he knew Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio would be a "different" sort of Pope who is not afraid of change and he's very excited that now, as Pope Francis, he has surpassed his expectations. Cardinal O'Malley has now revealed his progressive identity and agenda for the Church. With some help from his progressive friends at the Fishwrap and the Crux, he's only getting started... Hang on, more "change" is on the way!